<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2668" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Yes, John, You're right about the = aesthetics. New S&S "D" use chromed w-pins but they'd look a bit out of place in an = older S&S unless the rest of the beast was totally-but-totally rebuilt, = all the bright metal knobs and rim bolts rechromed etc. etc. and so forth. Then = with all that bright work the pins have to be chromed.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As for the gunged up holes someone was = just recommending use of reamers according to the size of the new pins.... = there's a thought. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Yet... I'm trying to get this basic = query of: Use same size new pins as old pins and use CA as a tightening agent...;-) = Guess there's no harm in using a reamer to clean out the holes though...? Or = even your rifle-bore brush in a slow speed drill...?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards from windy old = Sussex</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Michael G.(UK)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca = href="mailto:jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca">John Ross</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=michael@gambles.fsnet.co.uk href="mailto:michael@gambles.fsnet.co.uk">Michael Gamble</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, July 02, 2005 = 10:11 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: re-stringing and = CA</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>Hi Michael,</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>They sound like they would need a good = cleaning, to get rid of the residue, that mucked up the old pin threads.</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>Possibly a good cleaning with a metal = gun bore type brush would be enough of  a clean, that the new threads = wouldn't get gummed up.</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>I sometimes find that new chrome pins = look out of place in an older piano.</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>John</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV>John M. Ross<BR>Windsor, Nova Scotia, Canada<BR><A = href="mailto:jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca">jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca</A></DIV>= <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=michael@gambles.fsnet.co.uk href="mailto:michael@gambles.fsnet.co.uk">Michael Gamble</A> = </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca href="mailto:jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca">John Ross</A> ; <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, July 02, 2005 = 4:21 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: re-stringing and = CA</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hello John</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks for your input! ;-) = </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>In fact the old pins aren't as described in = this <EM>particular</EM> case. The thought of using new chrome instead of = blued pins just for the <EM>look </EM>of them and in the hope that = same-size new pins might <EM>possibly</EM>, with the use of CA, be an option.... = In reaming the hole a larger size pin is indeed the only option.... but = if it <EM>doesn't </EM>need reaming ... what then? This is for open = discussion so I'm posting to the List</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- = </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca href="mailto:jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca">John Ross</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=michael@gambles.fsnet.co.uk href="mailto:michael@gambles.fsnet.co.uk">Michael Gamble</A> = </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 01, 2005 = 10:44 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: re-stringing = and CA</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>Sounds like the holes need reamed = to new wood. Then the low torque pins as suggested, size determined by = the amount of wood removed.</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>Regards,</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV>John M. Ross<BR>Windsor, Nova Scotia, Canada<BR><A = href="mailto:jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca">jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca</A></DIV>= <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- = </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=michael@gambles.fsnet.co.uk href="mailto:michael@gambles.fsnet.co.uk">Michael Gamble</A> = </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca = href="mailto:jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca">John Ross</A> ; <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 01, = 2005 6:36 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: re-stringing = and CA</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hello John and = List</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The old pins are grotty, rusted = and deformed and would not be worth preserving and re-bluing. Apart = from which the old pins will have their scoring (the end part of the = pin which is in the plank) filled with old wood particles and rust. = The new pins will be chromed and indeed .. new. The object is to find = out what your collective reaction is to CA-ing in new pins.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Michael G.(UK)</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: = 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- = </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca href="mailto:jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca">John Ross</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 01, = 2005 9:52 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: = re-stringing and CA</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>Hi = Michael,</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>It doesn't make sense to buy = the same size, new. </FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial> If you want to try the = C/A, save your customer the cost of the new pins, you can always = 'reblue' the old ones.</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV>John M. Ross<BR>Windsor, Nova Scotia, Canada<BR><A = href="mailto:jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca">jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca</A></DIV>= <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: = 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- = </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=michael@gambles.fsnet.co.uk href="mailto:michael@gambles.fsnet.co.uk">Michael = Gamble</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> = </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July = 01, 2005 5:35 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> re-stringing = and CA</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hello List</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thought I'd start a thread = about re-stringing. We usually use the "next-size-up" tuning pins = when re-stringing but basic science tells me that the smaller the = pin the less unwinding leverage on it from the string. So. How = about a new set of tuning pins the same size as the old and using CA = to "glue" them in....Ha! Ha!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards from a darkening = wintry Sussex village</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Michael = G.(UK)</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></= BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>