<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML style="FONT-SIZE: x-small; FONT-FAMILY: MS Sans = Serif"><HEAD><TITLE>Message</TITLE> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2802" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=3>Hi Alan,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=3>The Acrosonic I tuned yesterday had a = few extra beats hear and there. ;)  A volunteer at the nursing home said the = piano sounded louder when I was finished.  That made me feel good for sure.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=3>Marshall</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=tune4u@earthlink.net = href="mailto:tune4u@earthlink.net">Alan Barnard</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech List</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, February 04, = 2006 1:32 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: tuning = environment</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Eh? What's that yer sayin' Sonny? Speak up, will ya!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The sound is there and you are hearing it. The ear training is = learning to discriminate it from all other sounds. This may sound stupid and I = don't know if anyone will agree with me, but it almost seems like I sort of = feel the beats as much as hear them, sometimes. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Depending on how large and well scaled that Yamaha is, your slow intervals may beat slower than on most pianos you tune. Grab a little = spinet, tune a center octave and place fourths and fifths within it: they'll = beat. Also, you also have to train yourself to ignore the 6:4 beat in the = fifth and it can be quite prominent on some pianos, distractingly so.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Alan Barnard</DIV> <DIV>Salem, Missouri</DIV> <DIV> </DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=rfinley@rcn.com href="mailto:rfinley@rcn.com">Robert = Finley</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To: </B><A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A></DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> 02/04/2006 8:56:44 AM = </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: tuning = environment</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT size=2> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>I am learning to tune aurally, although I = use an ETD (Sanderson Accutuner III)  to check the accuracy of my tuning = and to speed things up a bit. I find it difficult to hear the beats = (particlularly the slow beating 4ths and 5ths) even in the quiet environment of my = own home on my well scaled Yamaha grand piano, because they seem to be so = weak. Will your ears eventually become more accustomed to hearing beats? I have = been doing this for months and the beats still sound very feeble, = although when I move my head around the piano they become slightly more = perceptible. I can't imagine what it must be like to have to tune a piano in the = noisy environments that you describe. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Robert Finley</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- = </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=thetuner@ivories52.com = href="mailto:thetuner@ivories52.com">Geoff Sykes</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=tune4u@earthlink.net href="mailto:tune4u@earthlink.net">tune4u@earthlink.net</A> ; <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org = href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">'Pianotech List'</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, February = 04, 2006 12:51 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: tuning = environment</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=640504505-04022006><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff>I had the opportunity to tune four pianos at NAMM last year. Ever try to = tune in a very large convention center full of pianos all = being tuned at the same time? Complete chaos and cacophony would have been = quieter. Especially when you find yourself working on the same note at the = same time as one or two other techs in the same room. And you know = what? It was a fascinating high energy learning experience and I'd gladly do it = again. </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=640504505-04022006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=640504505-04022006><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff>-- Geoff Sykes</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=640504505-04022006><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff>-- Assoc. Los Angeles</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=640504505-04022006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV></DIV> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr = align=left><FONT face=Tahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] = <B>On Behalf Of </B>Alan Barnard<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 03, = 2006 6:47 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Pianotech List<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: = tuning environment<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Stick around awhile and you'll experience some tuning = environments that'll make noisy nursing homes seem like a nap on the = beach.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Lawn mowers, vacuums, screeching 2-year-olds, clocks!!!, = loud air conditioners and furnaces, televisions, and (at Fort = Leonard Wood) the not-so-distant sound of small arms, tank shells, = and the engineers blowing up stuff ... kabooM! ... the fun just keeps on = coming.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>One that was a challenge: Junior high school tuning = Hamilton on stage in gym/auditorium with concrete floor and cinder block = walls, boys basketball team shows up and they each grab a ball and start = bouncing, shooting, shouting, laughing and the SHOES ... sqeak squirk eek = scree. I couldn't complain because I'd gotten held up and was an hour = late when I started.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And the number one most obnoxious sound? Someone else = tuning another piano in the background. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Alan Barnard</DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Salem, Missouri</DIV> <DIV> </DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: = 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial">----- Original Message ----- = </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=pianotune05@comcast.net href="mailto:pianotune05@comcast.net"></A></DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To: </B><A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech List</A></DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> 02/03/2006 = 6:37:02 PM </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> tuning = environment</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hi Everyone,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>I know it's not a technical question = per sae, but I like hearing about other technician's experiences.  = What has been yoru worst tuning environment?  Today I tuned a = piano at a nursing home, an Acrosonic.  The people were great, but = it always throws me off when someone comesup and asks me a = question such as, "Have you found that lost chord yet." I was making sure my = thirds matched up evenly.  It was great, and I scheduled them = for their next tuning already plus one of the employees there scheduled = me to tune her piano in two weeks.  It was a great experience, = but it's hard to tune with lots of background activity.  What do = you guys do in that situation, besides make the best of it.?:)  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Marshall</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>ps. It was a great tuning all around = however, plus they offered me lunch!  Awesome chili and corn = bread.  </FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: = #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: Susan Kline <skline@peak.org> <BR><BR>> At 03:57 PM 2/3/2006 = -0800, Horace wrote: <BR>> >Actually that has been done a = number of times. When I was more active in <BR>> >institutional = work, I used to do it for demonstration purposes...it does <BR>> = >get folks' attention. <BR>> <BR>> I'm sure it does! = <BR>> <BR>> >Also, I know specifically of one major = contemporary venue in which this <BR>> >was done to the primary = concert instrument...no, the technician who did it <BR>> >is = no longer employed there. <BR>> <BR>> Ready for a different sort = of institution, I would guess ... well, there is <BR>> more = than one way to tell an employer to "take this job and shove it." = <BR>> <BR>> sssssssssnn <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> _______________________________________________ <BR>>! ;! = ;! ; Pianotech list info: = https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives = </BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><= /BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>