<html> Hi All, I got a pretty good look at the Verituner at the PA state convention, although I wasn't able to take the class.  Dave Carpenter took a few minutes to explain it to me in the exhibit hall.  I wanted to write from the convention, but decided to wait until I got home today. It looks like a good product, as it works fairly simply while you tune.  I haven't used it, so I may have some details wrong, but here's the basics of how it works. You start by tuning A4, and follow a basically aural tuning process. As you tune A4, the machine listens to the partials, and remembers how sharp each partial is.  You then tune the next note (like A3) and the machine listens to the partials of that note, and adjusts it flat very quickly so that it's partials align with the A4 measurements.  You continue on through a temperament, and the machine continues to align partials to make a good sounding tuning. It has 3 basic tuning stretch styles, from narrow to wide. You can also tweak those styles a little more or less as desired.  There is no way to tweak the stretch styles within the tuning (like the Cybertuner custom equilizer), but you can stop tuning momentarily to re-adjust the tuning style as you go, so if you want the top octave stretched more, you just change the stretch style and go back to tuning. I didn't talk to Dave about storing tunings and such, but he probably doesn't recommend storing tunings and re-using them - like RCT, it's recommended that one start with a new tuning each time.  Since the machine does remember where each note is after you finish with it, though, the tuning can be saved. There is a pitch raise mode.  I'm not sure how effective the machine is at calculating a tuning and calculating overpull at the same time - I'd like to see that done. For those who want to know more details, you can check the web site at <a href="http://www.veritune.com/" eudora="autourl">www</a>.veritune.<a href="http://www.veritune.com/" eudora="autourl">com </a>Cybertuner still is a more powerful program overall, which you would expect with something that runs on a full computer.  Verituner runs on a Windows CE type processor (I think it's the same as the HP Journada), although the machine is specially made for tuning.  I would categorize Verituner as an improved SAT, with the convenience of a dedicated, fairly small machine.  The octave stretch adjustments are more flexible and a little easier to do than on the SAT, but not as capable as with Cybertuner.  Cybertuner has many more options and adjustments, and if you want to take the time to learn all the features, it can tell you a lot about the piano you are tuning. By the way, Cybertuner will be releasing a version to run on Compaq ipaq Pocket PC computers this summer.  This means you can have am excellent tuning device that will  slide into your coat pocket, and run all day on a battery charge (at least according to Compaq). For those who don't know, I have been a software tester for Dean Reyburn (as I was for Robert Scott earlier on), so being very familiar with Cybertuner and being one who enjoys using a computer, my opinions are biased accordingly. Don Mannino RPT </html>