<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML style="FONT-SIZE: x-small; FONT-FAMILY: MS Sans = Serif"><HEAD><TITLE>Message</TITLE> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2802" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>I am learning to tune aurally, although I use an = ETD (Sanderson Accutuner III)  to check the accuracy of my tuning and = to speed things up a bit. I find it difficult to hear the beats (particlularly = the slow beating 4ths and 5ths) even in the quiet environment of my own home on = my well scaled Yamaha grand piano, because they seem to be so weak. Will your = ears eventually become more accustomed to hearing beats? I have been doing = this for months and the beats still sound very feeble, although when I move my = head around the piano they become slightly more perceptible. I can't = imagine what it must be like to have to tune a piano in the noisy environments = that you describe. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Robert Finley</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=thetuner@ivories52.com = href="mailto:thetuner@ivories52.com">Geoff Sykes</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=tune4u@earthlink.net href="mailto:tune4u@earthlink.net">tune4u@earthlink.net</A> ; <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">'Pianotech = List'</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, February 04, = 2006 12:51 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: tuning = environment</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=640504505-04022006><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff>I had the opportunity to tune four pianos at NAMM last year. Ever try to = tune in a very large convention center full of pianos all being tuned at the = same time? Complete chaos and cacophony would have been quieter. Especially when = you find yourself working on the same note at the same time as one or two other = techs in the same room. And you know what? It was a fascinating high energy = learning experience and I'd gladly do it again. </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=640504505-04022006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=640504505-04022006><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff>-- Geoff Sykes</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=640504505-04022006><FONT face=Arial = color=#0000ff>-- Assoc. Los Angeles</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=640504505-04022006><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV></DIV> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr = align=left><FONT face=Tahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <B>On = Behalf Of </B>Alan Barnard<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 03, 2006 6:47 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Pianotech List<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: tuning environment<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Stick around awhile and you'll experience some tuning = environments that'll make noisy nursing homes seem like a nap on the beach.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Lawn mowers, vacuums, screeching 2-year-olds, clocks!!!, loud = air conditioners and furnaces, televisions, and (at Fort Leonard Wood) the not-so-distant sound of small arms, tank shells, and = the engineers blowing up stuff ... kabooM! ... the fun just keeps on coming.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>One that was a challenge: Junior high school tuning Hamilton on = stage in gym/auditorium with concrete floor and cinder block walls, boys basketball team shows up and they each grab a ball and start = bouncing, shooting, shouting, laughing and the SHOES ... sqeak squirk eek = scree. I couldn't complain because I'd gotten held up and was an hour late = when I started.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And the number one most obnoxious sound? Someone else tuning = another piano in the background. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Alan Barnard</DIV> <DIV> <DIV>Salem, Missouri</DIV> <DIV> </DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt Arial">----- Original Message ----- = </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=pianotune05@comcast.net href="mailto:pianotune05@comcast.net"></A></DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To: </B><A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech List</A></DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> 02/03/2006 6:37:02 PM = </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> tuning = environment</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hi = Everyone,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>I know it's not a technical question per = sae, but I like hearing about other technician's experiences.  What has = been yoru worst tuning environment?  Today I tuned a piano at a = nursing home, an Acrosonic.  The people were great, but it always = throws me off when someone comesup and asks me a question such as, "Have you = found that lost chord yet." I was making sure my thirds matched up = evenly.  It was great, and I scheduled them for their next tuning already = plus one of the employees there scheduled me to tune her piano in two = weeks.  It was a great experience, but it's hard to tune with lots of = background activity.  What do you guys do in that situation, besides = make the best of it.?:)  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Marshall</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>ps. It was a great tuning all around = however, plus they offered me lunch!  Awesome chili and corn bread.  </FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff = 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: Susan Kline <skline@peak.org> <BR><BR>> At 03:57 PM 2/3/2006 -0800, = Horace wrote: <BR>> >Actually that has been done a number of = times. When I was more active in <BR>> >institutional work, I used to = do it for demonstration purposes...it does <BR>> >get folks' = attention. <BR>> <BR>> I'm sure it does! <BR>> <BR>> >Also, = I know specifically of one major contemporary venue in which this = <BR>> >was done to the primary concert instrument...no, the = technician who did it <BR>> >is no longer employed there. <BR>> = <BR>> Ready for a different sort of institution, I would guess ... well, = there is <BR>> more than one way to tell an employer to "take this job = and shove it." <BR>> <BR>> sssssssssnn <BR>> <BR>> = <BR>> _______________________________________________ <BR>>! ;! ; = Pianotech list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives </BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>