<html> <body> Dittos on aggressive over-pulling causing falseness in some wire.  Not on all but I have noticed it on some pianos requiring large pitch corrections.  The falseness seems to stretch out as I don't notice it on a second tuning which is why I now Piano Voice as a standard part of pitch correcting.  I'm suspecting that strings left around termination points and then moved don't forget their shape immediately. Does this coincide with your experience? Andrew Anderson At 07:54 PM 12/17/2005, you wrote: <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">  Hi Ric    I have waited for this subject to come up again because I believe there is a cause that I've not seen addressed & fits into what your experience has born out.  While I believe a tight solid pin, proper down bearing & bridge angle are absolutely needed for good string mechanics there are conditions where all the right conditions for pure strings exists but the wires are as false as Dollie Partons ........wigs. Grin.      I believe that a large part of string falseness is caused or created in the stringing process in 2 ways.     1st, the string having a natural coil & memory should be installed by allowing it to freely wrap around the hitch pin in the natural bend or or coiled condition in which it takes as it comes off the coil. Or so as its' not bent back against itself. I believe this keeps the wire from excessive twisting as it is pulled to pitch.     Now if your not buying that one then here is the no.2 reason is ,& I am absoultely convinced of this.      I believe over pulling the string too far above pitch in the stringing process  deforms the string. Its' that simple.   We once had a stringer who was very good but we had many false beats.  One day in conversation about this I  asked if there was anything she could be doing to create this & she said no.  She said I always pull the strings a half step sharp of there intended final pitch as a I string just like you told me.     I said ^%$##!#$&*(*_) Slight communications flop. I had told her to pull the strings only up to pitch as she went.  SO after that the false beat issues were greatly reduced.  Also we swicthed to the Mapes Gold wire & I feel it produces even less falseness than the Roslau wire.   My 2 cents worth for what its' worth  Dale Erwin <dl> <dd>Because for an explanation or theory to have any meaning, it has to be <dd>consequent in dealing with the phenonema it attempts to explain. There <dd>are too many cases where this particular theory doesnt hold up.  You can <dd>tighten a loose pin without solving the problem, you can experience a <dd>clean string with absurdly loose pins.  The  <<sometimes>> effect of <dd>tightening a loose pin or putting pressure on it points (at least me) in <dd>another direction. <dd>If the tight pin theory is really valid, then in nearly all cases... if <dd>not all...  a false beat will occur when a pin is loose and it will be <dd>eliminated upon tightening the pin. Since this is quite clearly, for not <dd>to say obviously not true... then the theory has a major problem. <dd>There is no doubt something that changes sometimes when manipulating the <dd>pin/pin hole relationship in various fashions.  But it I dont think its <dd>even close to been really shown that its simply a matter of the pin <dd>being loose. Not by a long shot. <dd>Cheers <dd>RicB </dl> </blockquote></body> </html>