<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" = xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns:st1="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" = xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=us-ascii"> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)">  <title>Message</title> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="State"/> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City" = downloadurl="http://www.5iamas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"/> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place" downloadurl="http://www.5iantlavalamp.com/"/>  <style>  </style>  </head> <body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=blue> <div class=Section1> Alan:<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> I avoid rebushing an action center when I can, but when I have = to it’s Titebond for me.  While hide glue is good glue, I think it is = revered in our circles beyond it’s due.  It’s fussy, has to be the = right temperature, keep stirring and adding water to keep the right = consistency, watch for evidence of bacteria…..  A lot of the time – = maybe most of the time – there are other glues that will do just as well or = even better.  PVC-E is good glue though I haven’t tried it on = action centers, it’s my choice for key bushings.  It is fast, holds = well, and is removed even easier than hide glue.  My glue pot stays on = the shelf the vast majority of the time. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> As to rebushing a flange for the RPT test, remember there are = enough points in the things that are important (like things you’ll really = do in your work) that you can just skip a couple of what I think of as the = silly ones.  I’d mention what some of the silly ones are, but my = flame suit is getting old and I can’t afford a new one.  = J<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> dave<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div> David M. Porritt<o:p></o:p> <a = href="mailto:dporritt@smu.edu">dporritt@smu.edu</a><o:p><= /o:p> </div> <div> <div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'> <hr size=2 width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1> </div> From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Alan Sent: Tuesday, March 15, = 2005 5:20 PM To: 'Pianotech' Subject: RE: Where's the = action (cloth)?<o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div> Wow ... it IS hard to say things right and I missed = the mark, too! I had taken no offense at your post, mi amigo. In fact, I appreciated your reply, as always.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Now the dilemma is that I'm soon to take the RPT = Technical Exam (I know, finally, at long last, what kept ya?) which requires rebushing a grand hammer flange. No waiting overnight allowed, I'm = told<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> In fact, a concern I have is that I will go to all = the trouble to glue the felt in then push out some of it = out when I pin/ream/burnish the darn thing--and then be out of time. So it may not = be the best "shrink sized" or "soft felt" center in the = world, but I want something that will be adequate, set up fairly fast, and HOLD. = But no, I don't want to take a glue pot to the convention just to make two little = globs o' glue.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> I'm thinkin' Titebond or maybe = PVC-E.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> What have others used in this kind of time-crunch repair? That's what I'd like to = know.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> Alan R. Barnard<o:p></o:p> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Salem</st1:Cit= y>, <st1:State w:st="on">MO</st1:State></st1:place><o:p></o:p> <blockquote = style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> -----Original = Message----- From: = pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Terry Sent: Tuesday, March 15, = 2005 1:00 PM To: Pianotech Subject: Re: Where's the = action (cloth)?<o:p></o:p> <div> You are welcome. I apologize - sometimes I know my = responses as a teeny little bit smart a$$y. You are correct - their felt products = are not on the web site. I simply called them. You can order as many or as = few as you wish. Only one size. If I recall correctly, they are $2 per strip = (but I could be WAY off with that).<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> I honestly don't know how to rush drying the = bushings. I've always just done it in my shop and had the luxury of time. I'd be = tempted to experiment with other glues like Titebond in the shop first to make sure = it didn't go too far into the felt (maybe use sparingly and let air dry = until tacky???).<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Have you used the Renner bushing felt before? Be sure = to use their training tool (to get the felt to go through the flange easy. = I pull my felt through the flange, one cut, thread a bunch of flanges = on a long center pin wire (or individual wires), and then apply a 50/50 mix = of water/alcohol and let dry overnight. Works great. Depending on how = much friction you are after controls what size wire you use to for sizing. <o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Terry Farrell<o:p></o:p> </div> <blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black = 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt; margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'= > <div> ----- Original Message ----- = <o:p></o:p> </div> <div style='font-color:black'> From:</span= > <a href="mailto:tune4u@earthlink.net" = title="tune4u@earthlink.net">Alan</a> <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> To: <a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" = title="pianotech@ptg.org">'Pianotech'</a> = <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Sent: = Tuesday, March 15, 2005 12:58 PM<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Subject: RE: = Where's the action (cloth)?<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> <o:p> </o:p> </div> <div> Well, thanks Terry. <o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> I had checked out their website but if they post any = prices or even list their felt products on there, they sure have them hidden. I emailed them. Do you have to call them to order, THEN find out the cost? = If so, that would be very Steinway of them.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> I guess for field repairs, one could dab on a little Titebond.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> Alan R. Barnard<o:p></o:p> <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Salem</st1:Cit= y>, <st1:State w:st="on">MO</st1:State></st1:place><o:p></o:p> <blockquote = style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> -----Original = Message----- From: = pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Terry Sent: Tuesday, March 15, = 2005 4:40 AM To: Pianotech Subject: Re: Where's the = action (cloth)?<o:p></o:p> <div> <div> Alan R. Barnard asks:<o:p></o:p= >  <o:p></o:p><= /p> </div> <div> "Who sells Renner = cloth?"<o:p></o:p></p= > </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Ummmmmm......... Renner  <a href="http://www.rennerusa.com">www.rennerusa.com</a> . I just ordered = some from them a week or so ago. I assume you are speaking of action center = bushing cloth (that's the pre-glued stuff)?<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> "From those who use it, please: = Bill Spurlock says to let the pre-glued stuff dry for "several hours." This would = not seem to work if used for field repairs or the RPT Technical ... = thoughts?"<o:p></o:p></p= > </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Yup, takes a few hours - at least. I just let it dry overnight. How well do you know your = client?<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Might need to use plain cloth and hot hide glue - = oops, there we go again, now we've got to heat hot hide glue on-site - for one = little action center bushing?<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Just might need to bring part back to shop, fix and = return at a later date. "Quality work can't be rushed!" Check out = some of the piano manufacturers web sites - I'm sure you'll find some good = sounding stuff there from their marketing = departments....<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> "What stock of sizes should one purchase, not = for shop work but just the odd field repair?"<o:p></o:p></p= > </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> I stock all of their one size - that way I can = always have the right size!<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Terry Farrell<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.1 - Release Date: = 03/09/2005<o:p></o:p> </blockquote> <o:p> </o:p> -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.1 - Release Date: = 03/09/2005<o:p></o:p> </blockquote> <o:p> </o:p> -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. 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