<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; = charset=us-ascii"> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 10 (filtered)"> <style>  </style> </head> <body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple> <div class=Section1> Like Ron N. says, I think = it’s likely it has to do with the front duplex and you may be able to = shorten, detune and increase the deflection angle by inserting some brass of = appropriate dimension—at least you can experiment.  If it turns out that = that’s the problem, it’s not that big a deal to remove the strings from = one section and insert the new counterbearing piece and then replace the = strings (the same ones you took off).  Unhook them from the tuning pins = slip in the brass or whatever and then reattach—if that proves to be the problem.  I get brass of varying sizes from <a href="http://www.rjleahy.com/">www.rjleahy.com</a>.  They will = cut to a reasonable shipping size.  I don’t know the configuration of = this piano but maybe you can send pictures and some suggestions could be made = by various people, I’m sure.  If the noise disappeared = originally by muting the front duplex, it is likely that there is leakage occurring = and that’s what you should address.  Shortening the section and increasing the deflection can do that.  You do want to be sure that the angle and deflection work together.  The longer the duplex the greater the deflection angle.  Similarly, a shorter duplex requires smaller = angle.   <div> David Love davidlovepianos@comcast.net </div> -----Original = Message----- From: = pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Barbara Richmond Sent: Tuesday, February = 28, 2006 7:51 PM To: Pianotech = List Subject: Re: v-bar/capo = repair   <div> Hi David, </div> <div>   </div> <div> Well, I'm not sure if the = capo hardness was ever right since the problem was there before it was = restrung, also.  The problem didn't surface until the piano was a year old or so.  Then it took about the same amount of time for the problem to = surface after it was restrung.  It was the repetition of the timing and the symptoms that got my attention. </div> <div>   </div> <div> Thanks for the suggestions = of inserting the brass half round or half oval.  I will try = that.  BTW, what sort of establishment would carry those? </div> <div>   </div> <div> Barbara = Richmond </div> <blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black = 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt; margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'= > <div> ----- Original Message = ----- </div> <div style='font-color:black'> From:</span= > <a href="mailto:davidlovepianos@comcast.net" = title="davidlovepianos@comcast.net">David Love</a> </div> <div> To:<= /font> <a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" title="pianotech@ptg.org">'Pianotech = List'</a> </div> <div> Sent:</span= > Tuesday, February 28, 2006 9:33 PM </div> <div> Subject:</s= pan> RE: v-bar/capo repair </div> <div>   </div> Are you sure = it’s a soft v-bar?  How much material did the stringer take off?  Is = it possible he actually filed through the hardened section?  How long = and what is the angle of the counterbearing section?  Is the = counterbearing area flat or sloped?  Can you manage to insert something to = increase the deflection angle and shorten and detune the segment?  You might = experiment by inserting a cut piece of brass half round or half oval underneath = this section to see if that doesn’t help.  Have you looked at the = v bar with a mirror to examine its shape?  I would certainly try that = before considering torching the v bar.    <div> David Love davidlovepianos@comcast.net </div> -----Original = Message----- From: = pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of ed440@mindspring.com Sent: Tuesday, February = 28, 2006 7:22 PM To: Pianotech List Subject: Re: v-bar/capo = repair   <div> Did the rebuilder file it = correctly? </div> <div> Paul Revenko-Jones has a fine class on this. = Maybe he could send you his handout sheets. </div> <div> You might also try moving the strike point on = those notes. </div> <div> Ed S. -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Richmond <PIANO57@INSIGHTBB.COM>Sent: Feb 28, 2006 6:13 PM To: Pianotech <PIANOTECH@PTG.ORG>Subject: v-bar/capo repair </div> <div> <ZZZHTML><ZZZHEAD><ZZZMETA = content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" = http-equiv="Content-Type"><ZZZMETA content="MSHTML = 6.00.2900.2802" name="GENERATOR"></ZZZHEAD><ZZZBODY = bgColor="#ffffff">Howdy, </div> <div>   </div> <div> Back to the 8' Seiler = grand.  Sorry if I'm starting to sound like a broken record.  Here's the story:  I serviced this piano when it was new.  Not long into = its life, it developed a noisy duplex at the low end of the treble = section.  I muted it off.  I tuned it for a few years, I moved = away... </div> <div>   </div> <div> I moved back.  In the = meantime, the piano was restrung.  I started servicing it again a year after = it was delivered.  9 months into servicing it, the noisy duplex returned = in the exact same spot--but add another note.  I freaked out (not in front = of the customer), the customer freaked out, too (not in front of = me).  I contacted the rebuilder who said he filed the capo. He and I came = to the conclusion (whether we are correct or not) that it is a case of = soft cast iron.  I looked up hardening cast iron in the archives.  To do = that would mean taking the plate out of the piano and that's = not an option.  I'm convinced if I refile the capo, the same thing is = going to happen again.  </div> <div>   </div> <div> I know there are some = pianos that have some sort of rod installed at the v-bar.  Is it possible to do = the same with this piano at the capo?  Has anyone done it?  Do you = have detailed instructions?  Will someone hold my = hand?.....Please? </div> <div>   </div> <div> Thanks, </div> <div>   </div> <div> Barbara Richmond, = RPT </div> </blockquote> </div> </ZZZBODY></ZZZHTML> </body> </html>