<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Re: Fwd: Smoky piano</TITLE> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <STYLE type=text/css>BLOCKQUOTE { PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } DL { PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } UL { PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } OL { PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } LI { PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } </STYLE> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2726.2500" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=4>John:  Could you more = fully explain the procedure you oulined.  Thanks  Jim = Dally</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca = href="mailto:jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca">John Ross</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, December 13, = 2003 7:37 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Hammer Spring Rail = and plastic action parts question</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>When installing the new hammer rail = springs, I have found that drilling an extra hole for the spring, and installing = it like a French butt spring, keeps the wire in the slot. Also make sure that = you use a piece of welding rod, in the coil when bending for tension, saves = from deforming the coil.</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>I used to get the old wire out, put in = the new wire, and try to bend it into the slot with a pair of pliers I = modified, but I could never get it to lie fully in the slot.</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>I think it was Brian Lawson, or Jon = Page that suggested this method to me.</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial>Regards,</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV>John M. Ross<BR>Windsor, Nova Scotia, Canada<BR><A = href="mailto:jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca">jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca</A></DIV>= <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=dsmith941@comcast.net = href="mailto:dsmith941@comcast.net">Dave Smith</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, December 13, = 2003 7:31 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Hammer Spring = Rail and plastic action parts question</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks for the advice, William. I = have been trying to dig out the spring tails which are still firmly embedded = in the cuts on the underside of the metal rail..  Can't get them = out.  I may try bending the new springs around the underside of the rail and = hot glueing a felt strip to secure.  Any other advice, pls reply.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dave Smith</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sw Fl</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- = </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=A440WRMPiano@tm.net = href="mailto:A440WRMPiano@tm.net">William R. Monroe</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, December 12, = 2003 7:52 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Hammer Spring = Rail and plastic action parts question</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" size=4>Dave,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" size=4></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" size=4>I just did this job = today.  My two cents:  dig 'em out.  It took me = three hours to:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" size=4></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" size=4>-Pull = Action</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" size=4>-Remove Spring Rail</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" size=4>-Remove Backing Felt</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" size=4>-Lift out old springs</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" size=4>-Cut new Springs to = size</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" size=4>-Set new Springs in = Rail</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" size=4>-Bend to = shape</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" size=4>-Reinstall Felt and = Rail in Action</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" size=4></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" size=4>By the time you are = done manufacturing a new rail, drilling perfectly spaced holes, and = then going through the same process of installing new springs, it would be a = wash - or even easier to pry out the old springs.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" size=4></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Bookman Old Style" size=4>William R. Monroe<BR>Assoc.<BR>Madison, WI</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- = </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=dsmith941@comcast.net = href="mailto:dsmith941@comcast.net">Dave Smith</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, December = 12, 2003 12:06 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Hammer Spring = Rail and plastic action parts question</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have a customer with a 1947 = Story and Clark console piano with most of the hammer butt springs = broken,  It has the extra old felt strip under the spring coils, and that = is where the corrosion originates.  I read about this in an = old journal article, along with the advice, to try to replace the = rail, rather than diggout 88 spring holes, etc.  Does anyone know = if it is still possible to get a spring rail duplicated at a = reasonable cost?    Any advice?  Piano is is pristine = shape other than this.  It does have almost all action parts in = yellowing plastic, but they dont seem to be crumbly like others I = have seen.  Maybe there were some good plastic batched back then?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dave Smith</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>SW = FL</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY= ></HTML>