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<DIV>Jim,<BR><BR>If you are able to balance the pivotal thirds properly =
in step
5, then your<BR>mistake is happening in steps 6-9. What aural =
checks are
you using in each<BR>of these steps?<BR><BR>Corte =
Swearingen<BR>Chicago<BR><BR><PRE>Jim,<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns =
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<DIV>Corte; Here is the progression with the tests I am using <SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV>That’s right Mike, I had step 11 reversed. It is straightened =
out
below.</DIV>
<DIV>I am using tunelab pocket in a dell axim to check my aural
temperament.</DIV>
<DIV>Something I have added are the beats per minute (bpm). </DIV>
<DIV>I use<SPAN class=940230004-13112003> bpm with</SPAN><SPAN
class=940230004-13112003> </SPAN>my meteronome<SPAN
class=940230004-13112003> </SPAN> as an aid to help compare the =
slower
beating 4ths and 5ths.</DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; =
mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><FONT =
size=3> <o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoBodyText>One of my faults may be expecting to master =
aural tuning
in a short time.</DIV>
<DIV class=MsoBodyText>I noticed today that it was not always the E =
that was
problematic sometimes it was C# or G and G#.</DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; =
mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3>Someone told me once that if =
piano tuning
was easy, everyone could do it.Thanks to everyone who replied. Have to =
go make
some money tomorrow (not tuning pianos) but hope to get back to my =
practicing on
Friday.<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; =
mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><I><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: =
yes"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></I></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; =
mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3>1) A49 to fork<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: =
yes">
</SPAN>F33-fork = F33-A49<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: =
yes">
</SPAN><o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; =
mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3>2) A37 from A49<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: =
yes">
</SPAN>F33-A37<U><</U> F33-A49<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: =
yes">
</SPAN>3<SUP>rd</SUP> is about .5bps slower than 10<SUP>th</SUP><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> =
</SPAN><o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; =
mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><FONT =
size=3></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; =
mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3>3)F33 from A37<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>7bps<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: =
yes"> &n=
bsp;
</SPAN>F33-A37<U><</U>F33-A49 <o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; =
mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><FONT =
size=3></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; =
mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3>4)F45 from F33<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: =
yes"> &n=
bsp;
</SPAN>C#29-F33<U><</U> C#29-F45<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: =
yes">
</SPAN><o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; =
mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><FONT =
size=3></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; =
mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3>5)C#41 from F45 ...<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>balancing pivotal
thirds<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; =
mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><FONT =
size=3></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; =
mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3>6)D42 from A37 (4th)1bps wide =
(60 bpm)<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>F33-D42 6<SUP>th</SUP> is 1bps faster than F33-A37
3<SUP>rd</SUP><o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; =
mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><FONT =
size=3></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; =
mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3>7)A#38 from F45 (5th).6bps =
narrow
(36bpm)<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: =
yes">
</SPAN>A#38-D42 is slightly faster than
A37-C#41<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT =
size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; =
mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT =
size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; =
mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">8)F#46
from C#41 (4th) 1.26 bps wide (80bpm)</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; =
mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">A37-F#46(6<SUP>th</SUP>)
is 1.26 beats faster than A37-C#41(3<SUP>rd</SUP>)<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; =
mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"></SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT
size=3>D42-F#46 is faster than =
C#41-F46<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT =
size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; =
mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT =
size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; =
mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">9)C40
from F45 (4th)<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> =
</SPAN></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">approx 1-1/3 bps =
wide<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>(80bpm)</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; =
mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>C40-A49
(6<SUP>th</SUP>) is slower than F45-A49, its upper major =
3<SUP>rd</SUP><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; =
mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"></SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT
size=3>C40-A49 is about the same
asD42-F#46(M3)<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT =
size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; =
mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT =
size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; =
mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; =
mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">10)E44
from A49 (4th) 1.6bps wide(96bpm)<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: =
yes">
</SPAN>C40-E44 is slower than C#41-F45 and faster than A#38-D42<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; =
mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"></SPAN><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT
size=3>A37-E44(5<SUP>th</SUP>) .6bps narro<SPAN
class=940230004-13112003>w =
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; =
mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>C40-E44<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>is slower than C40-A49
(6<SUP>th</SUP>)<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: =
yes">
</SPAN>this is where I encounter my
problem?<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; =
mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><FONT =
size=3></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; =
mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3>11)G#48 from C#41(5th)less than =
1bps
narrow<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> =
</SPAN>compare
E44-G#48 / F45-A49(3rds) <o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; =
mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>compare C#41-G#48 / D42-A49 =
(parallel
5ths)<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; =
mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><FONT =
size=3></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; =
mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3>12)B39 from F#46 (5th) .83bps =
narrow
(50bpm)<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>B39-D42(minor
3<SUP>rd</SUP>)is faster than D42-F#46(major 3<SUP>rd</SUP>)<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>B39-E44(4<SUP>th</SUP>) =
is approx
1.1bps<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; =
mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><FONT =
size=3></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; =
mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3>13)D#43 from A#38 (4th)
A37-F#46=B39-D#43<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; =
mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; =
mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt"><FONT
face="Times New Roman" size=3>14)G47 fromD42</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial> <o:p></o:p></FONT></DIV>
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