<HTML>In a message dated 2/2/03 2:25:45 AM !!!First Boot!!!, tune4u@earthlink.net writes: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Okay, I'm 6'4" and my back kills me if I do much stand-up tuning (like grand high trebles). Other than standing in a hole, what do other tall guys do? Alan Barnard Salem, MO </BLOCKQUOTE> This is usually a problem only when you tune octaves. I'm not as tall, but when I used to tune by ear, and stood up doing big uprights, I found it was easier to reach the octaves if I took off my shoes. It lowered my hands enough so I didn't have to bend my back at a funny angle. But now that I use an SAT, and only tune one note at a time, it's a lot easier. Wim </HTML>