<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" = xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns:st1="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" = xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)"> <o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" = name="place"/> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="State"/> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City"/>  <style>  </style> </head> <body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple> <div class=Section1> <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Marshall</st1:place></st1:City>,<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Action cloth is what I use. It will = last practically forever. When I ordered it about four years ago, I think it = was the medium white cloth. You might want to order two different kinds to = make sure you get the correct thickness.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div> John<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'> <hr size=2 width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1> </div> From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of = pianotune05@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, January = 07, 2006 7:33 AM To: Pianotech Subject: RE: felt mutes = -- was RE: Working while tuning<o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div> Hi John,<o:p></o:p> </div> <div> would extra thin temperment strip work in the = trebble?  I've tried muting the trebble before, but I didn't have an extra thin temperment strip.  I ordered one from Schaff.  = <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Marshall</st1:place></st1:City><= o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #1010FF = 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt; margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> -------------- Original message -------------- From: "John Formsma" <john@formsmapiano.com> = <o:p></o:p> David,<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Yeah, it was in an upright. Been a = long time ago.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> Have you tried using a strip of = action cloth in the treble of verticals? (About 0.090 thick, I think, and cut = down the middle.) Pulling the strip out bit by bit surely beats moving mutes = around, especially when you get toward the end of the treble where you run out = of room for the wire handles. You also don’t have to finagle around the = dampers. I save some time that way, as it takes me 1 – 1 ½ minutes to = strip the entire piano. I know I spend more than that moving mutes. But it’s = whatever works best for you.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <div> John<o:p></o:p> <div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'> <hr size=2 width="100%" align=center tabIndex=-1> </div> From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of David Ilvedson Sent: Friday, January 06, = 2006 10:06 PM To: pianotech@ptg.org Subject: RE: felt mutes = -- was RE: Working while tuning<o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> Your tuning too many uprights...;-]   Felt wedges don't fall out of grands...<o:p></o:p> I do use them in uprights...haven't had any fall out if I can get them between = the unisons...but I do have to go to thin rubber mutes in the = treble...<o:p></o:p> I gave up on temp strips years ago...SAT III, = my ears and 2 mutes David Ilvedson, RPT <u1:place u2:st="on"><u1:City u2:st="on"><st1:place = w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Pacifica</u1:City></st1:City>, <u1:State u2:st="on"><st1:State = w:st="on">California</u1:State></u1:place></st1:State></st1:place> <o:p></o:p> <div style='border:none;border-left:solid black 2.25pt;padding:0in 0in = 0in 4.0pt'> <div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'> <hr size=2 width="100%" align=center> </div> Original = message From: "John Formsma" <JOHN@FORMSMAPIANO.COM>To: Pianotech <PIANOTECH@PTG.ORG>Received: 1/6/2006 7:10:48 PM Subject: RE: felt mutes -- was RE: Working while = tuning<o:p></o:p> Thanks, = Terry.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> I’ve never used a felt wedge = except once when I tried it in the bass. It kept falling out, so I didn’t = use it again. I like to strip mute the bass…for speed. Actually, my MO = for verticals is to strip the entire piano, but tune unisons as I go, = pulling out the felt when moving to the next string set.  It’s quite a = bit faster than moving mutes. Grands are sometimes done this way, but the = action cloth I use for verticals is not quite thick enough for some grands, so = most of the time I use the large rubber wedges (w/o the wire.)  I = wouldn’t think the narrow rubber mutes would do that well in a grand, although = you can make anything work if you want to. J</fon= t><o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p></fon= t> <div> John Formsma<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Farrell Sent: Friday, January 06, = 2006 7:41 AM To: Pianotech Subject: Re: felt mutes = -- was RE: Working while tuning<o:p></o:p> </div> <o:p> </o:p> <div> Whereas I've never tried a large rubber wedge, I have = tried the regular rubber mutes in the past that I use on uprights. On grands, = I find that the felt mutes are easier to insert, are very stable (stay where = you put them), and mute exceptionally well. You can also place them fairly = loosely in place and still mute well - I always wondered how jamming those rubber = mutes in between strings might be affecting the pitch of a string that was = already tuned.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> They just seem to work better to = me.<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> And besides, they don't make that screeching = noise that a rubber mute can sometimes make!<o:p></o:p> </div> <div>  <o:p></o:p> </div> <div> Terry Farrell<o:p></o:p> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> </body> </html>