<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=windows-1252"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2180" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV>Andre, I am personally delighted by the images of ice cream and cappucino and = French foods that have come our way from your contributions. No sarcasm = intended. And the hammers do indeed look delicious. Please do not be offended.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Jason</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left>-----Original Message----- From: = pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org]On Behalf Of = antares Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 2:21 PM To: = Pianotech Subject: visual cortex and delicious foodstuffs </DIV> On = 11-okt-04, at 21:57, jason kanter = wrote: <?x-tad-bigger> <?/x-tad-bigger> <BLOCKQUOTE><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param = 0000,0000,FFFF><?x-tad-bigger>So please allow me to confirm my understanding of = this.<?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?/fontfamily><?x-tad-bigger> <?/x-tad-b= igger><?x-tad-bigger>1. <?/x-tad-bigger><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param = 0000,0000,FFFF><?x-tad-bigger>There are several (at least two) grades of Wurzen felt. These include = "regular", which has itself varied in quality over the past 14 years, and the = recent "AA" Wurzen felt, <?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?/fontfamily></BLOCKQUOTE> That's = right Jason kanter. <BLOCKQUOTE><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param = 0000,0000,FFFF><?x-tad-bigger>which is so beautiful that Andre's visual cortex is reminded of = delicious = foodstuffs.<?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?/fontfamily><?x-tad-bigger> <?/x= -tad-bigger></BLOCKQUOTE> Is this a sarcastic remark or just 'plain funny'? <BLOCKQUOTE><?x-tad-bigger>2. <?/x-tad-bigger><?fontfamily><?param = Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?x-tad-bigger>The manner of hammer manufacture -- how it is pressed and what shape it = is pressed into -- also come into play here. Ronsen and Renner use = different = processes? <?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?/fontfamily></BLOCKQUOTE> Tha= t depends on the pressed they use. As far as I know, Ronsen uses the = older hand press and Renner a new automated one. The shape depends on the caul = and on the applied pressure. <BLOCKQUOTE><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param = 0000,0000,FFFF><?x-tad-bigger>Do other manufacturers also use Wurzen = felt?<?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?/fontfamily><?x-tad-bigger> <?/x-tad-b= igger></BLOCKQUOTE> Yamaha uses Wurzen regular for their CFIII-S Samick also uses regular = Wurzen. Maybe, in the mean time, other hammer makers may have started to use it. <BLOCKQUOTE><?x-tad-bigger>3. <?/x-tad-bigger><?fontfamily><?param = Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?x-tad-bigger>Therefore there may logically be at least 4 permutations of Wurzen hammers, = perhaps more, and we will need to be aware of exactly what we are using and = why.<?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?/fontfamily> <?fontfamily><?param = Arial><?color><?param 0000,0000,FFFF><?x-tad-bigger>Am I off base = here?<?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?/fontfamily><?x-tad-bigger> <?/x-tad-b= igger></BLOCKQUOTE> The older Wurzen quality derives from when the former Weickert factory was = taken over and was called the Wurzen factory in the early 90's. As far as = I understand it, the Wurzen factory today sells two kinds of Wurzen felt = : regular quality and AA quality. Renner is one of the main buyers = and makes most of its hammers with Wurzen felt, Abel apparently has a reason not = to use it, Ronsen now also sells AA quality but mainly (again, as far as I = know) to Canada and the USA. The other hammer makers are either piano = factories like Yamaha and Samick or hammer makers which are still not big enough = players on the market to have a real name. So you might say that, = probably, only Renner and Ronsen sell Wurzen covered hammers. It is up to piano technicians to make their choice. In the future I will try to = block my "<?fontfamily><?param Arial><?color><?param = 0000,0000,FFFE><?x-tad-bigger>visual cortex" so that nobody will be bothered by any "delicious = foodstuff"s.<?/x-tad-bigger><?/color><?/fontfamily><?x-tad-bigger> <?/= x-tad-bigger> OK? = <BLOCKQUOTE><?x-tad-bigger> <?/x-tad-bigger> <?fontfamily><?param= Arial><?smaller>| |   | | |   | |   | | |   | |   | | |   | |   | | |   | |   | | |   | |   | | |   | |  <?/smaller><?/fontfamily> <?fontfamily><?param = Arial><?smaller>Jason Kanter . piano tuning regulation = repair<?/smaller><?/fontfamily> <?fontfamily><?param = Arial><?color><?param = 0000,0000,EEEE><?smaller>jkanter@rollingball.com<?/smaller><?/color><?sma= ller> . cell 425 830 1561<?/smaller><?/fontfamily> <?fontfamily><?param = Arial><?smaller>serving the eastside and the san juans<?/smaller><?/fontfamily> <?smaller>-----Original = Message-----<?/smaller> <?smaller>From:<?/smaller><?smaller> pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org]On = Behalf Of = antares<?/smaller> <?smaller>Sent:<?/smaller><?smaller> Monday, October 11, 2004 12:16 PM<?/smaller> <?smaller>To:<?/smaller><?smaller> = Pianotech<?/smaller> <?smaller>Subject:<?/smaller><?smaller> = Re: Wurzen felt<?/smaller> On 11-okt-04, at 3:52, David Love wrote: One thing I’ve noticed, which seems somewhat = contrary to how Andre described the felt, is that the Wurzen he talked about = supposedly had this sort of yellowish, off white color.  The Premium Blue = doesn’t seem to have that—at least the one set that I have in stock.  Are = there possibly different grades of Wurzen?  The felt that Ray at = Ronsen is using has a somewhat different color than the Premium Blue and the = pressing is also a different shape—more small-end-of-the-egg like (which I = prefer) and less round.  I also find the Premium Blue a difficult = hammer to file.  While I only have one set of Ronsen Wurzens which I’ve = only experimented with, I haven’t found the same filing problem.  David Love, There is basically the so = called 'regular; Wurzen, which has been developed over the last 14 = years. In the beginning of this development, this felt was kind of coarse looking, = like the VFG felt Abel uses. Then, about 5 years ago, it was bingo = time because the Wurzen felt had become more mature and was actually = really good. There were of course some minor points, like some sections = being a little hard or a little soft, but that is a matter of controlling = the pressure, needed to glue the hammers. Today, those very same = (Renner) hammers are far more consistent in their overall pressure because of = the (Renner) machine I was talking about. Then, not long ago, there = suddenly was the Wurzen AA quality. This felt has been far more 'interlocked' = and likewise is a little more dense. It also looks different because = one should compare it with the difference between a real nice shawl and = a real Kashmir shawl. It not only looks different, it feels different = and sounds different too. The regular quality looks like fine felt and = slightly yellowish, the AA quality looks more creamy, like nice looking = whipped cream or like the cream on a fantastic real Italian 'Capucci' . I = enclose again that nice pic of our first Bechstein prototype because that = felt makes you wanna eat it : I hope sending this pic does not create a problem. </BLOCKQUOTE>friendly = greetings from André Oorebeek "where Music is, no harm can be" </BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>