<html> <body> I've worked on the Kimball Vienna (all white 5'8" I think) baby grand.  I wasn't impressed.  There were veneer shims stacked up between the plate and the side on the piano.  Turn the casters wrong and pull the music desk out and you might not get it back in.  Tone wasn't good, kind of dead.  There was no braiding on the back-scale at all.  Adding that helped.  Whoever sold this one didn't prep it at all.  A rough-over regulation made it capable of some expression.  Customer was ecstatic with that and I didn't get to sell the full-over and voicing before I moved. There's no such thing as "black-market" Yamahas unless they are "hot"--stolen.  Yamaha USA would like to push the idea of "grey-market" pianos but that doesn't stand up to the definition either.  Fact is a lot of these are older.  How far back is Yamaha still good?  Your call.  Lightly used/refurbished/restored Kawais are also being imported.  Kawai doesn't make you buy overseas to get parts for them.  Any piano going into bad climate conditions should have climate control, look at the old pianos in your area.  If you have a bad climate they're probably a sorry lot. Andrew At 08:13 PM 11/3/2005, you wrote: <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Anyone have any insight to share regarding used Kimball Vienna baby grands?  Good or bad or things to watch out for?   Also, I have the same kind of questions regarding new Kawai’s?  Are they “mid-quality”?  How do they rate?  Do I need to watch out for Black-market pianos, similar to Yamaha?   Thank you all.  J     Brian P. Doepke   AAA PianoWorks 260-432-2043 260-417-1298  </blockquote> </body> </html>