<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=us-ascii"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1126" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE>@font-face { font-family: Wingdings; } @font-face { font-family: Tahoma; } @page Section1 {size: 8.5in 11.0in; margin: 1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; } P.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } A:visited { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.EmailStyle17 { COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial } DIV.Section1 { page: Section1 } </STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY lang=EN-US vLink=blue link=blue bgColor=white> <DIV>Well, as said one of our great philosophs, "not because one have nothing = to say that one may shut his mouth".</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And so on ....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Taking act.</DIV> Isaac OLEG Entretien et réparation de pianos. PianoTech 17 rue de Choisy 94400 VITRY sur SEINE FRANCE tel : 033 01 47 18 06 98 fax : 033 01 47 18 06 = 90 cell: 06 60 42 58 77 <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left>-----Message d'origine----- De : pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org]De la = part de Jonathan Finger Envoyé : dimanche 16 mars = 2003 11:30 À : 'Kevin E. Ramsey'; = 'Pianotech' Objet : RE: Americus Vespucci [OT] [Amerigo} </DIV> <DIV class=Section1> Sorry = it’s been silent… I have a life.   I mentioned = that we should get back to pianos, but as nobody wants to (they must want more = OT posts to complain about), I’ll oblige.     Since = people seem too lazy to go and look for the information themselves, here’s a bit = of it found at: http://www.lehigh.edu/~ejg1/ed/strad1.html              = “Vespucci's = own "prurient gaze" (Mason 171) provided a basis for the imperial/sexual politics of = Stradanus's America. His letters from the New World highlighted the "inordinate" lust of = Native women who used the bites of poisonous animals to thicken their "husbands' = members" and were "very desirous to copulate with us Christians," as well as = the treachery of <A = href="http://www.lehigh.edu/~ejg1/ed/vespuccan.html">cannibal women</A> who clubbed and roasted a sailor "before our eyes" (Vespucci = 49, 64, 88).”     There is = clearly more here than mention of nekkidness.  And plenty of more references = if you’re so inclined.  Of course, as I wasn’t there when Vespucci = wrote these alleged letters, I can’t validate their authenticity.  I = merely wanted to see if what Gordon said had any clout, and it seems it does.  I = really see no need to research the matter any more, as I don’t = particularly care.  I live in the US, and am = plenty aware of the cannibal women that threaten us all.  J     I think = it’s interesting that in people’s haste to start a fight, they forgot = to look for the facts they’re so quick to accuse poor Gordon of not having.   Yes = Yes… Gordon has had some doozies in his days, but unfortunately guys, this isn’t = one of them.  Now I might contest that this was the reason for his name = being given to the country, or some of the other finer details in the = original post.  I might also argue if he were to say that because of this = naked behavior, wild dogs were eating babies amidst a hurricane.  But = the point that everyone seems to be contesting; whether or not Vespucci talked = about sex (why are we so concerned about this again?) seems to be mostly true.   Again, = sorry for the silence Kevin, but I had a few things to do today.  =   Hope this = helps   Jonathan = Finger RPT     -----Original Message----- From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Kevin E. = Ramsey Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 = 7:32 PM To: = Pianotech Subject: Re: Americus Vespucci = [OT] [Amerigo}   <DIV> Funny how silent it = suddenly is, isn't it, Keith?</DIV> <DIV> Kevin</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: = medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN: 5pt 0in 5pt = 3.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: black 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: = medium none"> <DIV> ----- Original Message = ----- </DIV> <DIV style="font-color: black"> From: <A title=kam544@gbronline.com = href="mailto:kam544@gbronline.com">Keith McGavern</A> </DIV> <DIV> To: <A title=pianotech@ptg.org = href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</A> </DIV> <DIV> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 7:03 PM</DIV> <DIV> Subject: RE: Americus Vespucci [OT] [Amerigo}</DIV> <DIV>  </DIV> >... I did a little = research of my own, and >found that "Mr. Stetler" isn't far = off. >Jonathan Finger RPT Come on Jonathan, back up that *little research* = of yours and provide an actual documented reference that supports the = degree of exaggeration that Mr. Stetler has taken into the realm of = 'prurient' matters, especially since you claim it exists. I'm not = interested in the details, I'm interested in the documented proof of such = matters being written of being sexual overtures. Writing of birthing = babies or being naked in one's given natural environment is not sexual. It = was just an observation written by an explorer. Keith McGavern Registered Piano Technician Oklahoma Chapter = 731 Piano Technicians = Guild USA _______________________________________________ pianot= ech list info: <A = href="https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives">http://www.ptg.org= /mailman/listinfo/pianotech</A></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLO= CKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>