<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> Dale,     I think I get it now. You were talking about making a straight edge truly straight. Am I correct? For that I prefer to use a router. I know that most folks immediately think jointer but I've had very little luck as the ones I've been able to afford have had short beds and have left not so straight an edge and quite a lot of snipe. Since then I have taken to a 10' system I made from aluminum channel and a straight edge from aluminum box to have the router follow. A commercial type of this is made and called "Joint-a-bility" or something with very similar spelling. I have had good success making 2 boards wind up flush with each other over their entire length with no clamping whatsoever. I hope this is what you were talking about. If not, I am lost. Greg BTW - only one "g" at each end. Erwinspiano@AOL.COM wrote: <blockquote TYPE=CITE>    Terry, Gregg        What I was trying to communicate and apparently not very well, was that  tongue and groove joints (and finger joints) are ever so much stronger than butt joints because mechanically they have more glue surface and they interlock. The problem with finger joints in soundboard panel joinery would not exist IF WE DIDN'T THIN THEM AROUND THE PERIMETER. In diaphramizing it is common to thin the board all the way around the panel which would cut thru the finger joints at different levels creating a visual nightmare. With the small tongue and groove it is possible to locate them closer to the bottom of the panel thereby still allowing for thinning from the top, without going thru the joint. Many times panels are thinned to as much as .250 especially in the tail regions for increased flexibility.    To answer Greg's question on machining long straight lines in boards I'll answer it with a question how would you do it? And what expensive machinery are you prepared to purchase to make one panel a year or two or whatever? Unless your relatives have a commercial woodshop buying pre-made blanks is way more efficient but maybe not as much fun. My point was making straight lines in any kind of earthly material is a challenge and I'd rather see you spend your time with the more salient points of sound board making and make music, some money and have some fun and personal satisfaction at the same time. Know what I mean? Best--Dale Erwin   .Terry writes <blockquote TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">  I taking a long shot here, but - I think finger joints are only appropriate at end grain joints. That way the long direction of the grain goes into the fingers and all is strong. If you finger joint perpendicular to the grain, you have little fingers whose edges cut across that grain and the fingers have no strength. My suspicion is that a finger joint used to glue up planks of spruce for a soundboard would have no significant strength increase over a straight, flat-cut joint. A finger joint may be a good thing if good spruce gets so scarce that our four or six-inch wide planks are not available in five-foot lengths! Terry Farrell     <blockquote TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">----- Original Message ----- From: <a href="mailto:Erwinspiano@AOL.COM">Erwinspiano@AOL.COM</a> To: <a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</a> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 11:23 AM Subject: Re: my own Soundboard   In a message dated 1/12/2002 9:52:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, <a href="mailto:gnewell@ameritech.net">gnewell@ameritech.net</a> writes:         Gregg writes <blockquote TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">.     I thought that tongue and groove might be a good idea long before I heard about it here. Lately I've been day dreaming about finger joints. Any feelings on how that might work in a soundboard situation? It seems that a finger joint would offer more surface area than a tongue and groove. Call me a ponderer.     I would love to here from</blockquote>             Greg -Finger joints will not work. Even the tongue and groove joints must be positioned towards the bottom side of the panel so that they are not exposed while diaphramizing.         If you've not ever tried to make a straight line over large lengths of wood then I must tell you how difficult it is even for the best woodworkers.       Dale</blockquote> </blockquote>  </blockquote> -- Greg Newell <A HREF="mailto:gnewell@ameritech.net">mailto:gnewell@ameritech.net</A>  </html>