<HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html;= charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1276" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <DIV align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>You don't need to= recess much for the t-nut as it will pull into the keybed when= synched up with nut.  I just scrape some keybed material= away with a knife or whatever and have no problems.  This= is a great way to take care of the stripped screws in= pedals.  If you carry these things in your vehicle,= i.e. different length bolts, drill/bits,  you can do the= job in 15 to 30 minutes.  </DIV> <DIV align=left> </DIV> <DIV align=left>David Ilvedson</DIV> <DIV align=left> </DIV> <DIV align=left> </DIV> <DIV align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2>----- Original message= ----------------------------------------><BR>From: Mike= Bratcher <<A= href="mailto:MBratPianos@indy.rr.com">MBratPianos@indy.rr.com</A= >><BR>To: Pianotech <<A= href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A>><BR>Rec= eived: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 12:48:46 -0500<BR>Subject: Re: pedal lyre= screws are obsolete</FONT></DIV> <DIV align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2><BR>"...Next, drill out= the holes where the screws were, also get a spade drill bit the= size of the outside diameter of the "T" nuts, and make a cutting= edge on the opposite side of the bit from the edge. That way you= can use it to<BR>countersink the place to put the "T" nut in the= key bed and be out of the<BR>way of the= keyframe...."</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I don't think this will work. = You will need to get a right angle drill attachment to fit= between the pinblock and the keybed.  I've done this before= and I had to get a forsner bit and cut the shank off to a nub,= and it was still tight.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Mike Bratcher</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>----- Original Message -----= </FONT> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: "kenneth.gerler" <</FONT><A= href="mailto:kenneth.gerler@prodigy.net"><FONT face=Arial= size=2>kenneth.gerler@prodigy.net</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial= size=2>></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To: <</FONT><A= href="mailto:Alpha88x@aol.com"><FONT face=Arial= size=2>Alpha88x@aol.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>>;= "PTG Forum" <</FONT><A href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org"><FONT= face=Arial size=2>pianotech@ptg.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial= size=2>></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 9:15= AM</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: Re: pedal lyre screws are= obsolete</FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT= face=Arial size=2>> Julia,<BR>> When I ran into this= problem, I went to the hardware store and bought some<BR>>= bolts(after measuring the length needed to go through both the= lyre and the<BR>> keybed) and "T" nuts (bolts the same= diameter as the old wood screws). Next,<BR>> drill out the= holes where the screws were, also get a spade drill bit= the<BR>> size of the outside diameter of the "T" nuts, and= make a cutting edge on the<BR>> opposite side of the bit from= the edge. That way you can use it to<BR>> countersink the= place to put the "T" nut in the key bed and be out of= the<BR>> way of the keyframe. Slip the bit into the hole (you= previously drilled)<BR>> from the top of the keybed, attach= you drill to the bit hanging down from<BR>> the keybed and= drill a depth that will allow the "T" nut to clear the<BR>>= keyframe when it is reinserted. This repair will make the lyre= like a lot of<BR>> the new pianos being produced today and= should last the lifetime of the<BR>> piano.<BR>> <BR>>= Ken Gerler<BR>> ----------------------------<BR>>= originial message<BR>> <BR>> greetings,<BR>> <BR>>=           &nbs= p; I recently took on a job for a small church with a= Hazelton<BR>> Brothers 6' grand that the pedal lyre just fell= off, because the lyre sticks<BR>> came<BR>> out at one= unknown time a long time ago and they kept using the= piano,<BR>> pedals<BR>> and all. This caused the pedal= lyre to "swing in the breeze" with use and as<BR>> a<BR>>= consequence, the whole pedal lyre fell off because the screws= were worked<BR>> loose from use.<BR>> <BR>>=           &nbs= p;  Removing the remaining 2, (of 4)  5/16" diameter x= 2 3/4" long<BR>> screws resulted in a search for replacements= only to find they are no longer<BR>> made. Does anyone know= where I can obtain such obsolete fastners? Someone at<BR>>= a<BR>> hardware store mentioned a place named Constantine's= in New York. Has anyone<BR>> heard of this place? The= national 1-800 directory assistance has no phone<BR>>= number<BR>> on them and typing in </FONT><A= href="http://www.constantine"><FONT face=Arial= size=2>www.constantine</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>= results in web page under construction<BR>> message, so I= cannot even be sure if this is the right constantine= company.<BR>> <BR>> thanks,<BR>> Julia= Gottschall<BR>> piano rookie,<BR>> Reading, PA<BR>>= <BR>> <BR>>= _______________________________________________<BR>>= pianotech list info: </FONT><A= href="https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives"><FONT= face=Arial= size=2>https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives</FONT></A>= </BODY></HTML>