<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1226" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV>I'm with David on this one. I only use = keytop on the crown when I'm trying to add a little billiance to the tone. On a = job like this, I'd go the Lacquer-Acetone route, and I wouldn't be afraid to use = a bunch of it, because it can be undone if necessary.</DIV> <DIV>Kevin.</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black">From: <A title=davidlovepianos@earthlink.net href="mailto:davidlovepianos@earthlink.net">David Love</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">To: <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Sent: Wednesday, August 20, = 2003 2:33 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Subject: RE: Dope needs dope = dope</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>I think it's important to know the type of hammer = .  Some hammers just shouldn't be hardened with chemicals, or it should be = done very judiciously.  How do you think you might have messed them = up with the set up?  Either way, I don't like keytop as a hardener, = especially for firm up the underlying structure.  I prefer lacquer, the = strength will depend on the hammer.  David Love <A = href="mailto:davidlovepianos@earthlink.net">davidlovepianos@earthlink.n= et</A> ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan To: Pianotech Sent: = 8/20/2003 1:33:37 PM Subject: RE: Dope needs dope dope I don't = know what "cold-pressed" implies about hammers or whether these were made = that way. I choose to not publicly identify the maker at this point = because it may very well be my fault in improperly setting up these hammers. I = will say that it is a well-known private maker of hammers who has, as = far as I can tell, a very good reputation in the business. But also that I = did order the specific hammers this maker recommended for the Big = Beautiful(?) Baldwin 6000. Re: Mark Wisner's questions: My mixture is = one plastic "A" keytop (with front) dissolved in roughly 8 oz. of = acetone. I can see the piano as often as I need to. Alan R. = Barnard Salem, MO -----Original Message----- From: <A = href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</A> [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Patrick = C.Poulson Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:40 PM To: Pianotech Subject: Re: = Dope needs dope dope Alan: my first question is: what kind of hammes = are these? It sounds like you used cold-pressed ones. Patrick C. Poulson Registered Piano Technician Piano Technicians = Guild ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan To: Pianotech ; Pianotech = Sent: 8/20/2003 11:23 AM Subject: Dope needs dope dope I've = made a batch of plastic keytop in acetone and am about to put it on the = new bass hammers that I installed in a Baldwin 6000.  Even after = filing and many hours of playing, these hammers sound like mooshy marshmallows floofing up against the strings. Questions: How much = dope per hammer? Where should I put it on the hammers and where should I NOT = put it? Any other dope dope appreciated. Side note: I did = the Randy Potter course and have picked up much at PTG chapter meetings and = from you wonderful people on the list, but mostly it's been on-the-job, = on-my-own, and learn-from-your-mistakes for me over the last three years. But = it sure seems that there is a not very short list of things that reeeeeally = should be learned with tutelage--and this includes voicing. I = think it just isn't sufficient to read about techniques; you have to = hear examples and learn to listen to subtleties that just aren't present = in 98.632% of the neglected pianos in rural America. Most customers can't really = hear or appreciate the difference and won't be paying for it. So there is = precious little practice opportunity. THIS piano, however, demands = attention and resides in the practice hall of some very professional musicians of = the 399th Army Band. So I must venture! Next conference, I'm going = to spend the bucks and get into every voicing workshop I can! Alan R. = Barnard Salem, MO --- Outgoing mail is certified = Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (<A = href="http://www.grisoft.com">http://www.grisoft.com</A>). Version: = 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: = 8/19/2003 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (<A = href="http://www.grisoft.com">http://www.grisoft.com</A>). 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