<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Of course! But it's ok because the = originals are those really nice ones with the knuckle integrated into the = shank!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm sure you all have seen this = kind of crap workmanship before, but last night I thought I would turn my = attention to the backchecks and putting a radius on the hammer tails. The guy also = put new backchecks on. Every one at a unique height. Many pushing up adjacent = hammers upon key stroke. The hammer tails hit the backcheck at about a 45 degree = angle (tails don't check, they clunk!). Then I try to gang sand the tails for = a radius. Tails are angled every which way. In, out, rotated.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If you took all the loose parts, thew = them in a box and shook it up and then looked inside, you would have something that = looks pretty close to this action. I am exaggerating only = slightly.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Arrrrggggg! It would have been less = work to try and make the original parts function, rather than trying to make this = hodge-podge of parts function.    :-(</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ain't there a law?????</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Terry Farrell</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=avery@ev1.net href="mailto:avery@ev1.net">Avery Todd</A> = </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, November 13, = 2004 5:47 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Front Rail = Punching Interference</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV>Just wondering, but did "they" also install those new = hammers on old shanks/knuckles? :-) <BR><BR>Avery <BR><BR>At 03:56 PM = 11/13/04, you wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite="" type="cite"><FONT face=arial = size=2>I think I found part of the problem already. The tooner before me "rebuilt the = piano" - you know, the full monty - new strings, hammers, damper felts (yes = indeed, hanging way out past the damper heads) and keytops  - none of = which were installed straight/aligned, etc. I imagine this thing had ivory = keytops originally. The new keytops are thick plastic (~2mm), and yup, you = guessed it, he didn't plane the keytops down to compensate for the thicker = keytops - so now I have keys that are one or two millimeters thicker than original.....<BR></FONT> <BR><FONT face=arial size=2>Oh = well, back to the drawing board ........ er, a, regulating table......<BR></FONT> <BR><FONT face=arial size=2>Terry Farrell<BR></FONT> <DL> <DD>----- Original Message ----- <BR> <DD>From:</B> <A href="mailto:antares@euronet.nl">antares</A> = <BR> <DD>To:</B> <A href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</A> = <BR> <DD>Sent:</B> Saturday, November 13, 2004 4:04 PM<BR> <DD>Subject:</B> Re: Front Rail Punching Interference<BR><BR> <DD>Terry,<BR><BR> <DD>First of all, you need to know the exact key height of your = key board.<BR> <DD>This is the key to your regulation.<BR> <DD>For instance.... the key height for Steinway model S-B = (measured from the key bed to the underside</I> of the key top covering) is 63 = mm.<BR> <DD>For Yamaha's this 64 mm.<BR> <DD>It is the only way to get your basis straight.<BR> <DD>After that, we're talking.<BR><BR> <DD>André Oorebeek<BR><BR> <DD>On 13-nov-04, at 20:47, Farrell wrote:<BR><BR> <DL> <DD><?fontfamily><?param = Arial><?smaller>Help!<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR> <DD><BR>  <DD><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>I'm = trying to regulate a Baldwin "Monarch" microgrand action. I haven't looked = up the piano's age (can't find my Pierce Atlas), but it is from the = first half of the 20th Century. I've run into this before. I level keys = (1/2" sharp height), regulate blow, let-off, etc., and then go to set = aftertouch. When I have the proper aftertouch on the sharps, the adjacent = naturals hit the sharp front rail punching before they hit their own = front rail punching when depressing the natural.<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR> <DD><BR>  <DD><?fontfamily><?param = Arial><?smaller>That's bad.<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR> <DD><BR>  <DD><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>What = gives? Have I done something stupid? Have I simply overlooked something?<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR> <DD><BR>  <DD><?fontfamily><?param = Arial><?smaller>Another thing - I have to reduce blow to 1-3/4 inches to provide sufficient = key travel (about 3/8 inches - way less than spec) to allow let-off and a = tad of aftertouch. I replaced the back rail felt with original = thickness (which is the thinnest sold by the supply houses), I am using the = thinnest front rail punchings available, and I even have key height a = little bit higher than they were (and above spec - more than 2-1/2 inches - = I'm quite sure I'm still OK with the fallboard).<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR> <DD><BR>  <DD><?fontfamily><?param = Arial><?smaller>Again, what gives? Action clearly appears all original.<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR> <DD><BR>  <DD><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>This = is all a lot easier when you rebuild the action, go through the Stanwood = and geometry stuff, and have it all correct from the get-go! = Because, as in this case, it can't be me, it's gotta be the action! = Right?   ;-)<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR> <DD><BR>  <DD><?fontfamily><?param = Arial><?smaller>Thanks for anything anyone has to = offer.<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR> <DD><BR>  <DD><?fontfamily><?param Arial><?smaller>Terry = Farrell<?/smaller><?/fontfamily><BR><BR></DD></DL> <DD>friendly greetings<BR> <DD>from<BR> <DD>André Oorebeek<BR><BR> <DD>"where Music</I> is, no harm can be"<BR></DD></DL></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>