<HTML>In a message dated 10/7/02 10:15:32 PM Central Daylight Time, HazenBannister@cs.com writes: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Hi list, I know there have been bad times on this list for Bill,and others.We've probally all been at fault at times,for things we should not have written,said,or done.But,here lately I have really enjoyed Bill's posts,and have found them not only informative,but also encouraging to some of the people he was replying to.I only hope we will respond to each other, the way we would like to be responded to. Best always, Hazen Bannister </BLOCKQUOTE> Thank you, Hazen, The good thing about having to disprove the malicious statements made by Ed Foote is that I now know quite a bit than I did before.  I could have long ago asked Owen Jorgensen for the theoretical model of my temperament idea but never saw the need for it.  I thank Kent Swafford for the suggestion that this would be the only way to solve the riddle of why the so-called "correction figures" that so many people want to use were so elusive. >From tauntings about being inconsistent, ever changing, efforts to ridicule and discredit, I can stand straight up and firmly say that I have been right about what I've been doing all along.  The fact is that the aural instructions I had used for many years were not exactly theoretically correct.  It took one very slight specification and the switching of 1 pure 5th for another to make them so. But the fact remains that the theoretically imperfect instructions worked perfectly on many pianos, namely the Steinway B on which I originally designed the EBVT for rehearsals of the local opera and symphony chorus.  When those instructions didn't work exactly right, I instinctively made the small corrections it took to make the temperament scheme work.  These corrections aren't necessarily the ones that make the aural temperament sequence theoretically correct, either. There ends up being a large, cummulative effect and difference between the end product of one person who *listens* and studies every day, always trying to find ways to improve and perfect, and the results of merely regurgitating published information and feeding it into an ETD where the stretch amount and octaves are determined by the limitations of devices and calculations which are themselves, still in a state of development and flux. I've said it before and I'll have to say it again:  some of the data on the graph that Jason Kanter made shows awkward imperfections in temperament construction.  That much is true.  The simple reason for it is the aural instructions, when taken literally in a *theoretical* analysis produce what Jason has on that chart.  But surely, those obvious errors would not be made by anyone experienced in tuning Well Tempered Tunings. So there is the problem as I see it.  This one guy, for whatever reason, has tried to demean, discredit, belittle, mock, laugh at, discourage and deny dignity to me beginning some 10 years ago.  As soon as his views clashed with mine on this list, he was right at it again and has been constantly and consistently ever since. At one point he even threatened me with physical violence.  Why didn't *he* make the helpful suggestions others did?  Why did he choose negative and aggressive behavior instead? My reaction?  Yes, reaction, I'm told it's not good to have a *reactive* personality but sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do.  It reminds me of the time in elementary school where there was this one dumb kid, really well below average, who used to pick on me constantly, daily.  We were taught to ignore this kind of behavior.  But my Dad told me not to stand for nor take it when I told him of how long it had been going on.  So, one day, after finally having far more than enough, I hauled off and really smacked that kid one good. Of course, he cried and bawled to the teacher, "WAAAAHHHH!  Billy Bremmer *hit* me!"  "Oohhh, sob, sniff, sob, sob".  My parents were called, not the other kid's. They had to appear and my teacher and the school principal told them I had *perpetrated* a violent, unprovoked *attack*.  I was kicked out.  My Dad told me, however that he was proud of me for what I did and ever since, when I see this kind of behavior, my reaction to it is to throw it right back in the perpetrator's face.  He will be the victim of his own malice. I haven't taken down yet from my website Jason's graph because the corrections which need to be made are relatively minor in comparison to the parts which are correct and the overall *brilliant* concept that Jason came up with.  That's good enough for me.  I'll leave it there until Jason creates a new graph and is satisfied that it matches Owen Jorgensen's work. I have many friends and supporters, my website is very active with daily inquiries. Jason Kanter, Ron Koval and Kent Swafford have been able to maintain interest and a cool, scientific attitude about what I do all along.  I don't care at all about what any of the jackasses who write several one-liner posts a day, complete with bad grammar and spelling think or have to say.  Go dial in your numbers copied out of a book, just like Ed Foote says to do or even better, use the standard program, it will be the best any of you could or ever would *want* to do. I'm interested in pianos, their tuning and all other aspects of service.  That's why I participate on this and other lists and that's why I belong to PTG.  I don't agree at all with the concept of equality, either in temperament or of people.  I have seen this mindset in PTG where one should avoid trying to do something better than the rest in order to not *offend* anyone.  Finding a better way is often not popular because it makes people feel uncomfortable and questioning of their own practices which they have long trusted.  I'm going to keep on doing what I've been doing for so long now and I will never be satisfied that I have achieved perfection.  I'm also going to keep this screen name for my Pianotech work as a permanent reminder that if you try to discredit me maliciously, you're going to be sorry you did and you're never going to hear the end of it. "Yankee Doodle went to town, Yankee Doodle, Dandy, Stuck a feather in his cap and called it "Macaroni'!" Bill Bremmer RPT, Inventor of the "Sideways Well" Temperament Madison, Wisconsin www.Billbremmer.com</HTML>