<html><head></head><body>One thing that seems to sort of saturate such advice is not directly mentioned, but I think lies close to the root of many techs (begginging and experienced alike) problems with this or any other area of tuning. Frustration. Dont let it get to you. One of the nice benifits of the three pass approach is that the first two are taken without any real expectations or worry... you just slop it in... the second pass of course gets evened out a bit more carefully, but you dont stress it. Thats one of the big keys to all this. Dont get stressed. Find ways of avoiding stress / frustration... and ways of beating it down when you feel it coming on. <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Billbrpt@AOL.COM">Billbrpt@AOL.COM</a> wrote: <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:57.10937341.279e35e0@aol.com">In a message dated 1/22/01 7:08:05 PM Central Standard Time, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:pianola@online.no">pianola@online.no</a> (Ola Andersson) writes: <blockquote type="CITE" style="CITEborder-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(0,0,255); margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; ">I got a tip from the great Dr. Jim Coleman that sometimes appear on this list that help me alot. For a bad piano (wich I often get) I first do a pitch raise then a rough tuning and then I start to tune. This stabilise the pressure on the bridge so the treble don't fool you after tuning the tenor part. Also by this time you have pitch rasied the bass so not very much will happen with the pressure when you tune it. This way I don't have to fight with the last octave. When I feel I start to fight and move the strings to much  I rather do a quick rough tuning and then starts to tune again. Jim Coleman said this way was faster and I've found that to be true. </blockquote> I learned the same thing from Jim Coleman Sr RPT now 22 years ago.  It was as true then as it is now.  His partner in the lecture also confirmed this with the saying I always keep in mind, (paraphrasing), "You can tune it twice or even 3 times or more faster and easier than you can fight with it once".   Believe it, my friends, it's true.  Even if it's just one section such as the treble or high treble which is too far off, you will be able to finsh the job sooner and have a more stable piano by doing a rough tuning as quickly as possible, followed by a fine tuning than if you attempt to fine tune any portion of the piano which is off pitch. Bill Bremmer RPT Madison, Wisconsin</blockquote> <pre class="moz-signature">-- Richard Brekne RPT, N.P.T.F. Bergen, Norway <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:Richard.Brekne@grieg.uib.no">mailto:Richard.Brekne@grieg.uib.no</a></pre> </body></html>