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<DIV><SPAN class=030544210-22082004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>Ric,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=030544210-22082004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>Some
professional are so accustomed to the Steinway tone (here in France =
anyway) that
they feel it in the crispness of the tone if the tone is under 440.
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<DIV><SPAN class=030544210-22082004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>1-2
cts certainly don't bother much , 1hz is the extreme limit, but for =
performance
reasons, if they ask 442 one may try to get there - if possible in the =
time
limit allowed indeed.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=030544210-22082004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>A very
reputed tuner say the Hamburg D is at his best at 443 Hz
also.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=030544210-22082004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>The
wind correct their pitch eventually during the concert, (between music) =
as all
instruments, actually with electronic tuners, more rarely with the piano =
when
the audience is there.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=030544210-22082004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>that
have been my experience anyway</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=030544210-22082004><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>Best
regards</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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size=2><SPAN class=030544210-22082004><FONT face=Arial =
color=#0000ff>Isaac
OLEG</FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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size=2><SPAN class=030544210-22082004> </SPAN>-----Message
d'origine-----<BR><B>De :</B> pianotech-bounces@ptg.org
[mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org]<B>De la part de</B> Richard
Moody<BR><B>Envoyé :</B> dimanche 22 août 2004 =
10:54<BR><B>À :</B>
'Pianotech'<BR><B>Objet :</B> RE: Tuning with a
fork......Sanderson...<BR><BR></DIV></FONT></FONT>
<DIV><SPAN class=800044607-22082004><FONT
face="MS Sans Serif">Joe,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=800044607-22082004> <FONT
face="MS Sans Serif">If you produce a musician (oboist you =
say) who
says their instruments get weird outside of 2 cents deviation =
I will take a
fresh look (with them) at my premise that you completely disagree
with. I know a few musicians but have never asked them =
if 2
cents or two cycles per second is a big deal and wonder if they =
know the
difference. We ultimately work for the musicians. If =
they
really want to play to a piano no more than one half a cycle =
per
second off, we should hear from them and offer our services
accordingly. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=800044607-22082004> <FONT
face="MS Sans Serif">It is worth $100 for me to see if an oboist can =
indeed tune
aurally within 2 cents before concert and I would ask to see how =
far off
he or she is off immediately after performance. You =
gotta pay
scale after all..... </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=800044607-22082004><FONT
face="MS Sans Serif"> If we want to find out how =
much pitch
floats during performance we (piano tuners) have the machines to find
out. I am betting it is much more than we think. And =
the piano
floats the most.(Is my guess) I am willing to put time into =
settling
this issue once and for all. But the bottom line is who will =
fuss if
the piano is 438.5 for performance nite? Sometimes it =
happens.
Life goes on----the music sounds good...whether at 438 or 442 and no =
matter what
the oboist says. :) How much do your pianos for performance float? =
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<DIV><SPAN class=800044607-22082004><FONT face="MS Sans =
Serif"> ---ric
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face="MS Sans Serif"></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
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<P>"Nothing is a waste of time if you use the experience wisely." </P>
<P>Auguste Rodin (1840-1917); French sculptor. </P></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <B>On =
Behalf Of
</B>Joe Garrett<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, August 21, 2004 8:45
AM<BR><B>To:</B> pianotech<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Tuning with a
fork......Sanderson...<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Richard Moody said: "<FONT =
face="Times New Roman"
size=3>So machine tuners adjust the machine, and aural<BR>tuners go =
ahead for
the touch up. For some machine tuners 4 cents may<BR>look like a =
lot. But for musicians it is no problem"</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Richard, Try telling that to an =
oboist!!!! Four
(4) cents off is either 439 or 441. That's too far out for some =
instruments to
play with. There are a lot of instruments that get weird, outside of 2 =
cents
deviation, their natural harmonies/acoustics/timbre is messed with. I
completely disagree on you premise! =
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