<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2600.0" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV>Reply to message is below my rant.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Hi List,   What's happening ?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Yes I replied to a message to Re:spinet octaves and I get this as an answer.</DIV> <DIV>Am not sure I like a list moderator. In my moving I must have missed something that is happening.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The message says "suspicious header" Post files to <A href="mailto:files@ptg.org">files@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV>The header is in reply mode not a new subject. I assume that the objection is to the file but am not sure so I am not including a file with this message. If on the other-hand the moderator finds that the message is not appropriate, there should be a reason why.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>On the 5/31 Farrell sent a message with a photo of a soundboard "soundboard #001" No file. So we now embed the photo or file into the text of the message to get across what we want to without having to post files separately. ?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So, the next question is, Who is going to moderate the list moderator ?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Tony Caught</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG>Your request to the pianotech mailing list<BR><BR></STRONG>  <STRONG>  Posting of your message titled "Re: spinet octaves"<BR><BR>has been rejected by the list moderator.  The moderator gave the<BR>following reason for rejecting your request:<BR><BR>"Your message had a suspicious header. Post files to </STRONG><A href="mailto:files@ptg.org"><STRONG>files@ptg.org</STRONG></A><STRONG>"<BR><BR>Any questions or comments should be directed to the list administrator<BR>at:</STRONG> <A href="mailto:pianotech-owner@ptg.org">pianotech-owner@ptg.org</A></DIV> <DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV> <DIV><BR>Hi Charles,<BR><BR>Sorry to be late with this reply, have been away working.<BR><BR>Tunelab uses a system to set the scale over the entire piano and this method<BR>gives a very good tuning on the larger pianos but I have also noticed that<BR>on spinets and other pianos that have high inharmonicity in the bass that<BR>the bass inharmonicity constants (those things that set the scale when you<BR>measure them) affect the tenor section to a greater than normal degree.<BR><BR>I also noted that the octave tests in the tenor section were, to me, too way<BR>off to leave as they were so being an aural tuner I reset the scale and tune<BR>aurally and use the Tunelab for the upper and lower sections only. (by<BR>octave comparison)<BR><BR>I asked Robert Scott about this problem and he suggested that I try using<BR>the 4:2 in the bass as this will narrow the tuning stretch down to make it<BR>more acceptable in the spinets.<BR><BR>I tried this and yes it does work. A much cleaner tenor section.<BR><BR>From earlier days, I remember a master tuner telling me that when you tune<BR>the smaller pianos you tune to a higher harmonic in the bass than you use<BR>normally. I was confused with what he was saying as in those days I new very<BR>little about the harmonic structure of a string and a 6:3 or a 6:4 octave<BR>meant nothing to me. I could understand that an octave should be pure,<BR>unisons clean and fifths for some reason should almost be pure regardless<BR>that logic says that they should double in discrepancy as they go up but<BR>that is something else. Then I learnt about inharmonicity.<BR><BR>I have attached a my version of how I set up Tunelab for most common pianos<BR>used in homes. This is the file of the Sample Mason & Hamlin that is in<BR>Tunlab modified to show how I set it up.<BR><BR>1.    A0 is set on Partial 1 to show the actual fundamental.<BR>2.    C6 is set on Partial 4 and C7 is set on Partial 2 to show (in the<BR>tuning curve program) where the top note C8 should be and what the<BR>variations in the treble scale are.<BR><BR>Measure C 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. When measuring C1, if it is 50% more than C2 do<BR>not use. Delete it.<BR>In auto mode set the bass on 4:2 and treble on 2:1 and, press one of the<BR>inner arrows to set scale.<BR>Activate the manual mode and adjust all C's in the bass to as close as 0 in<BR>the upper tuning curve as possible.<BR>The treble will be close but you can see from the C6 and C7 markers on the<BR>upper tuning curve where you can best set the last note.<BR><BR>This method may be a bit narrow for some of you but the tuning sounds (to<BR>me) much better in the tenor and bass sections.<BR><BR>your comments would be appreciated as I also would like to make better<BR>tunings easier too.<BR><BR>Regards<BR><BR>Tony Caught<BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "Charles Neuman" <<A href="mailto:piano@charlesneuman.net">piano@charlesneuman.net</A>><BR>To: <<A href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A>><BR>Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 3:23 AM<BR>Subject: Re: spinet octaves<BR><BR><BR>> > What tuning devise/program are you using. I have an answer for one of<BR>> > them. Tony<BR>><BR>> I'm using TuneLab.<BR>><BR>> And I think the problem is worse in the tenor region.<BR>><BR>> I just sounds like mush. There's not even any clear beating or anything.<BR>> It's just that when I try to make a nice octave, there's a fairly large<BR>> area where it sounds kind of cruddy, but not as bad as when it's clearly<BR>> out of tune.<BR>><BR>> Charles<BR>> PTG Assoc, Long Island<BR>><BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> pianotech list info: <A href="https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives">https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives</A><BR></DIV></BODY></HTML>