<html xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = xmlns:st1="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" = xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <head> <meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=us-ascii"> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)"> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="country-region"/> <o:SmartTagType = namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"/>  <style>  </style> </head> <body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink="#606420"> <div class=Section1> Yes, David, I agree with you as well. I said to RicB I would try = a temporary insertion of cloth (that is on the bass covereds only) and see = what it sounds like. I'll leave it for a bit until I feel one way or another. = I think S&S went a bit overboard - rather like Yamaha - in listing up = to about middle 'C' on my ‘A’. It could be that I should wait until I get = Andre’s Wurzen hammers fitted. But as I haven’t even ordered them = yet…….<o:p></o:p> Regards<o:p></o:p> Michael G.(<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place = w:st="on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-region>)<o:p></o:p>= <o:p> </o:p> -----Original Message----- From: David Love [mailto:davidlovepianos@comcast.net] Sent: 25 September 2005 14:32 To: 'Pianotech' Subject: RE: Grotrian Steinwegs - to list or not to = list? <o:p> </o:p> A predominant "sizzle" sound like cymbals with rivets???  I don't think so.<o:p></o:p> Such a sound would be wholly unacceptable and I've never heard = anything like<o:p></o:p> that from a Grotrian or any other similarly designed = piano.  Length of the<o:p></o:p> backscale or lack of cloth in the backscale or in other non = speaking areas<o:p></o:p> will not yield any sizzle sound or sound of riveted = cymbals.  If you hear<o:p></o:p> that I would look for something else, like a loose piece of wire resting on<o:p></o:p> a string.  If you get a bit too much overring of = sympathetics for your<o:p></o:p> liking, then weave some cloth into the offending areas.  = Test for that by<o:p></o:p> striking some staccato chords in various areas of the piano and listening<o:p></o:p> for a bit of after echo.  How much is desirable is a matter = of taste.  Some<o:p></o:p> people like a very dry and complete shutoff, some don't. After restringing I<o:p></o:p> often don't put any cloth in until it's evident that the piano = needs it,<o:p></o:p> unless I want the look of it.  The areas where you are most = likely to need<o:p></o:p> it will be the bass and the low end of the tenor on some = pianos.  Rarely do<o:p></o:p> I find the cloth necessary in the aliquot area of a = Steinway.  Most people<o:p></o:p> insert the cloth more out of habit than = need.<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> David Love<o:p></o:p> davidlovepianos@comcast.net <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> -----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p> From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org = [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf<o:p></o:p> Of Ric Brekne<o:p></o:p> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 7:11 = AM<o:p></o:p> To: pianotech<o:p></o:p> Subject: Grotrian Steinwegs - to list or not to = list?<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> The length of the backscale, plus the other unmuted non singing = lengths, <o:p></o:p> plus the fact that the entire backscale of these instruments is = unmuted <o:p></o:p> yeilds a very predominant sizzle sound into the entire sound = mix. Not my <o:p></o:p> favorite sound personally. Sort of sound like one of those = rivetet <o:p></o:p> cymbals. Otherwise I've always found Grotrians to be lacking = something <o:p></o:p> I've never really been able to put my finger on.  Nicely = made <o:p></o:p> instruments I suppose, but nothing there that grabs you and = moves the <o:p></o:p> earth under your feet.<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> jmt<o:p></o:p> RicB<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> -------------<o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> That is indeed "the question" Whether 'tis required in = the back-scale of my<o:p></o:p> S&S 'A' or not. The photos attached shew some interesting = aspects of this<o:p></o:p> very nice Grotrian. The wrest pins are nickle plated, the "aliquot" bar is<o:p></o:p> continuous - unlike the S&S where it is "stepped"-per-note and the lack = of<o:p></o:p> Listing Cloth in the back scale - except for the covered string back-scale.<o:p></o:p> Any helpful comments out there?<o:p></o:p> Regards<o:p></o:p> Michael G.(<st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place = w:st="on">UK</st1:place></st1:country-region>)    &= nbsp;     <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:p> <o:p> </o:p> _______________________________________________<o:p></o:p>= pianotech list info: = https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives<o:p></o:p></p= > <o:p> </o:p> <o:p> </o:p> </div> </body> </html>