<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" = http-equiv=Content-Type> <META content="MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=110053421-14102001>hello,</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=110053421-14102001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN = class=110053421-14102001>Its not turning indeed, but if we can call that bend it is not enough to = disturb the pin placement. We utilize the springiness of the pin to check if all the = parts of the string had rendered well and  are in a stable state. </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=110053421-14102001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN = class=110053421-14102001>You push gently down and up on the lever (grand piano) and hear one of the = string moves a little (the unison color change) , you leave the lever and the = sound may be the same than before you push. If not that is because some segment of = the string was not stable.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=110053421-14102001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN = class=110053421-14102001>When you have the habit you can do the movement and hear very quickly, = somebody see you think you are shaking the lever , but it is not, you just check if = your strings will stay there !</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=110053421-14102001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN = class=110053421-14102001>This method (hearing 2 strings together) is very accurate too to change the = pitch of the first string you tune, in temperament or expanding octaves It is = easier to hear small differences in pitch between 2 strings, besides, if i.e. your = F -A third is slow and you want to add 1 beat, if you hear one beat between = the string you tune and the other, you know you will add 1 beat at your third.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=110053421-14102001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN = class=110053421-14102001>That is also a quick method to tune 2 string basses, add the missing beat = (from your octave) between the 2 bass strings, check, then tune the bass unison</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=110053421-14102001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN = class=110053421-14102001>That is why it is good to tune unisons while making temperament, the little = moves are easy to do with 2 strings.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=110053421-14102001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN = class=110053421-14102001>When I check any interval, it is most of the time 2 strings vs. 2 others.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=110053421-14102001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN = class=110053421-14102001>For the playing hand, the best thing is to found a good firm enough sound, = and repeat it always the same all along the piano. What I believe too is = that you can have good results playing softly (but firm) if you wish, this time = you have to synchronize the lever movement and the attack = more.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=110053421-14102001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=110053421-14102001>Usually, I live the pin twisted so if the = string may move it will go sharp, not flat (it does not hear so = much).</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=110053421-14102001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN = class=110053421-14102001>A few years ago I used to live the pin un twisted, but I fell now that there = is some kind of 'knot' between the pin trying to un twist, and the string trying = to go the other way.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=110053421-14102001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN = class=110053421-14102001>Anyway it is always more important to live the string = stable.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=110053421-14102001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN = class=110053421-14102001>Hope you can read me.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=110053421-14102001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=110053421-14102001>friendly</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=110053421-14102001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN = class=110053421-14102001>Isaac OLEG</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=110053421-14102001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=110053421-14102001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=110053421-14102001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=110053421-14102001></SPAN><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT = size=2><SPAN class=110053421-14102001><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial> </FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT size=2><SPAN class=110053421-14102001> </SPAN>-----Message d'origine-----<BR><B>De :</B> owner-pianotech@ptg.org [mailto:owner-pianotech@ptg.org]<B>De la part de</B> Ola Andersson<BR><B>Envoyé :</B> dimanche 14 octobre 2001 21:15<BR><B>À :</B> pianotech@ptg.org<BR><B>Objet :</B> SV: = Tuning with Key <BR><BR></DIV></FONT> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Isaac</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Intresting thoughts you have = </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I guess I'm on the right track = then</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I don't understand this</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=380255011-14102001>I've learned to push the lever high and = low gently to check if the string is stabilized, the change in color may come = back where it was in the first time if everything is = stable.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=380255011-14102001></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=380255011-14102001>Hope that helps.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial size=2><SPAN class=380255011-14102001>Isaac OLEG </SPAN></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Do you mean turn the pin or bend the pin?</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks </FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ola A</FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>ndersson</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Norway</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>