<html> At 09:26 PM 8/24/2004 -0500, you wrote: <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>List, Wasn't there recently a discussion about the "new" way that Steinway is recommending pinning their actions. Very "loose" as compared to the traditional methods, as I remember. Or had I just had too much Vodka that night? :-) Avery P.S. Sorry, I can't remember the name of the thread. </blockquote> Was wonderin' if someone was gonna get into that. The "new" S&S spec is as close to 0g. friction as you'de ever wanna get. The new bushing cloth is "super high density" and treated (permeated with Teflon). The birds' eye is almost zero tolerance, and I've been told that they are not "fly away" and to NOT repin them to a tighter spec. Alright. Also.... the treated cloth is not happy with Protek, at least until you've used enough to flush out the treatment. Talk to Kent Webb at S&S if you're using the latest S&S shank/flange setup. BTW... the rep lever pinning is at that same spec, .... dandy, no? Serious bidniss, campers. Check it out. Later, Guy <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite><blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>Rather than for others to harp on why you are wrong, it would be wonderful if discussion were to center on overcoming the challenges, if any, of a low-friction action -- or on what the tradeoffs are with other parameters of the action.   Finally, you are quite right about the difference between "free" and "loose."  If you were to equip those hammer shanks with high-quality ceramic bearings, they would be both rock-solid and slippery-free.  Perhaps Steinway wasn't entirely on the wrong track with their teflon bushings.  Perhaps it was simply a good idea, poorly implemented, and ahead of its time.  I wonder if we shouldn't give it another go -- this time with teflon-lined carbon fiber flanges and shanks?   Yours in peace and heresy, Sarah          </blockquote></blockquote></html>