<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1264" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><SPAN class=998385017-09112003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2>Hi Michael,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=998385017-09112003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=998385017-09112003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2>I seem to recall that Bob Davis own a VT 100 EDT, As this tuner is based on a = real time spectrum analysis circuitry, it gives the partial ladder in cts on the = display, and more, these are recorded into the memory for all notes of the instrument.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=998385017-09112003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=998385017-09112003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2>This EDT is the one that works the most in the same way than our tuner's ear, = that is why this is easier to agree with the information proposed when using them.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=998385017-09112003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=998385017-09112003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2>Sometime you tune a piano and see that the opening of the = octaves is really not that large in the 5e octave, just to see after that that it = was necessary to have a high treble falling in love with the medium zone. = Usually that bothers me too much to see that the machine is right when I believe = not, so I shut it and finish by ear !  </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=998385017-09112003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=998385017-09112003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2>What the EDT does not have is the 6th sense that edict you to add a little = stretch there or there (or on the first string tuned of the unison) an attempt = is made allowing us to ask for a slight fixed over pull, for instance 5 %, but = the reading of the screen is less easy (and slower)  then, = so I had to take the habit to understand that what the display show is where the = FINAL pitch may end, not always the same that the pitch I am tuning at the moment.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=998385017-09112003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=998385017-09112003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2>As you said, watching an EDT all along the instrument is sowing things, but = having the EDT not in front, but a little on my side, confirming me that that = I are doing a good job is convenient for me.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=998385017-09112003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=998385017-09112003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2>Often, when I want to look at it, the display does not show the good note = because it has been disturbed by aural checks, so better go to the next note and = use the EDT for the final checks and polishing.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=998385017-09112003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=998385017-09112003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2>A friend , new user of the VT (the second one in France) comes by to see = how  I use it, and after watching me tuning a temperament and a few = notes above , that I done with my usual manner, he say ;:" Now I understand how = you do : you never look at it :°)</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=998385017-09112003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=998385017-09112003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2>Joke apart, I tuned a CT80 without amplification in a very noisy environment = a few weeks ago, almost without checks, chromatically (and the VT = never recorded this one) I have NEVER heard a CP 80 that tone so just, nor so good, particularly in the bass.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=998385017-09112003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=998385017-09112003></SPAN><SPAN class=998385017-09112003></SPAN><SPAN = class=998385017-09112003></SPAN><SPAN class=998385017-09112003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=998385017-09112003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2>Best regards.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=998385017-09112003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=998385017-09112003> </SPAN></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV> <STYLE>  </STYLE> <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=320 border=0> <TBODY> <TR> <TD> <TABLE height=80 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=320 = align=right border=0> <TBODY> <TR> <TD class=tiny> <TABLE style="BORDER-RIGHT: #666666 1px solid; 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MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT = face=Tahoma size=2>-----Message d'origine-----<BR><B>De :</B> pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org]<B>De la = part de</B> Michael Gamble<BR><B>Envoyé :</B> dimanche 9 novembre = 2003 18:27<BR><B>À :</B> pianotech@ptg.org<BR><B>Objet :</B> = "The invisible tool"<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hello Bob Davis</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This is a late reply to your most = interesting comments on the partial/harmonic frequencies on my model "A" S&S = for which I thank you.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The figures you gave in that post = make me ask how you derived them! Do you have a "Sierra" frequency meter to give such = accurate read-outs? Or are these figures which are supplied by S&S? I = should be very interested to see a full listing, in data-base format, of = such accuracy so that, when tuning, the beats we hear can positively be = identified as issuing from the result of which-ever partials beating together.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Michael G (UK)</FONT> </DIV> <DIV> <STYLE>A.psl { COLOR: #ff0000; TEXT-DECORATION: none } A:hover { TEXT-DECORATION: underline } A.psl:hover { COLOR: #999999 } .noro { FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: #ff0000; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana,Arial,fixed } .tiny { FONT-SIZE: 1pt } .logotext { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #ffffff; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana,Arial,fixed; = TEXT-DECORATION: none } A.brand { FONT-SIZE: 7pt; COLOR: #777777; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana,Arial,fixed; = TEXT-DECORATION: none } </STYLE> <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=600 border=0> <TBODY> <TR> <TD> <TABLE height=80 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=600 = align=right border=0> <TBODY> <TR> <TD class=tiny> <TABLE style="BORDER-RIGHT: #666666 1px solid; BORDER-TOP: = #666666 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #666666 1px solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: = #666666 1px solid" height="100%" cellSpacing=0 width=600> <TBODY> <TR bgColor=#4e81c4> <TD class=tiny width="100%" height=1> <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=1 = width="100%" border=0> <TBODY> <TR> <TD class=logotext style="PADDING-LEFT: = 5px"><IMG src="cid:998385017@09112003-28ca" = border=0></TD> <TD class=noro style="PADDING-RIGHT: 5px; FONT-SIZE: 7pt; = COLOR: #ffffff" align=right>Keyboard tuner to Glyndebourne = since 1980</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD> <TD class=tiny></TD></TR> <TR> <TD colSpan=2> <TABLE height="100%" cellSpacing=2 = width="100%" align=right border=0> <TBODY> <TR style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 4px" height=1> <TD class=noro style="PADDING-LEFT: 4px" vAlign=top><B>Michael Gamble</B><BR><I>Piano/Harpsichord = Tuner/Tech.</I> </TD> <TD class=noro style="PADDING-RIGHT: 4px" = vAlign=top align=right><A class=psl = href="http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmap&addr=29+Shepher= ds+Way&csz=RingmerSussex++BN8+5LT&country=us" target=_blank>"Westwick"<BR>29 Shepherds Way<BR>Ringmer<BR>Sussex BN8 5LT<BR>UK</A> = </TD></TR> <TR height=1> <TD class=noro style="PADDING-LEFT: 4px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 4px" = vAlign=bottom><A class=psl href="mailto:michael@gambles.fsnet.co.uk" = target=_blank>michael@gambles.fsnet.co.uk</A> </TD> <TD class=noro style="PADDING-RIGHT: 4px; PADDING-BOTTOM: = 4px" vAlign=bottom align=right> <TABLE cellSpacing=0 align=right = border=0> <TBODY> <TR> <TD class=noro noWrap align=right>tel: = <BR>fax: <BR>mobile: </TD> <TD class=noro style="PADDING-LEFT: = 4px" noWrap align=right>+44(0)1273 = 813612<BR>+44(0)1273 813612<BR>07766 184580 = </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></T= ABLE></TD> <TD></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR> <TR> <TD colSpan=2> <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%"> <TBODY> <TR> <TD align=left><A class=brand href="http://www.plaxo.com/signature/" = target=_blank><I>Powered by Plaxo</I></A></TD> <TD align=right><A class=brand href="http://www.plaxo.com/signature/" = target=_blank><I>Want a signature like = this?</I></A></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV></= BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>