<HTML xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office"><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html;= charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1458" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV align=left>Sort of a no spin= zone...?   ;-]</DIV> <DIV align=left> </DIV> <DIV align=left>David I.</DIV> <DIV align=left> </DIV> <DIV align=left>----- Original message= ----------------------------------------> From: Carl Meyer= <<A= href="mailto:cmpiano@comcast.net">cmpiano@comcast.net</A>><BR= >To: Pianotech <<A= href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A>> Rec= eived: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 09:41:15 -0700 Subject: Re: Practicing= on a not so good piano:  was RE: tax deductions?</DIV> <DIV align=left>  </DIV> <DIV>To Ryan and Richard:  Not only= is BS not pure, it's not in short supply.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You see, I recognize BS by sight,= sound and smell. Those three senses should be enough= without using others. I have a patent on a BS filter that= I  keep turned on high especially when I read the list or= am in a Doctors office.  BS can be contaminated with= political crap.  Even if it is non-partisan.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You can't eliminate BS by shooting= the bull.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Carl Meyer Ptg assoc Santa Clara,= Ca.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px;= MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT:= 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----= </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color:= black">From: <A title=pianorye@yahoo.com= href="mailto:pianorye@yahoo.com">Ryan Sowers</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">To: <A= title=pianotech@ptg.org= href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Sent: Friday, September 24,= 2004 11:13 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Subject: Re: Practicing on a= not so good piano: was RE: tax deductions?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>How do you know? Do you have some unusual hobbies that you= would like to share with us? Carl Meyer <<A= href="mailto:cmpiano@comcast.net">cmpiano@comcast.net</A>></I= > wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT:= 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"> <META content=Word.Document name=ProgId> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1458" name=GENERATOR> <META content="Microsoft Word 10" name=Originator><LINK= href="cid:filelist.xml@01C4A257.02778BE0" rel=File-List> <STYLE>@font-face { font-family: Tahoma; } @page Section1 {size: 8.5in 11.0in; margin: 1.0in 1.25in 1.0in= 1.25in; mso-header-margin: .5in; mso-footer-margin: .5in;= mso-paper-source: 0; } P.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New= Roman"; mso-style-parent: ""; mso-pagination: widow-orphan;= mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman" } LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New= Roman"; mso-style-parent: ""; mso-pagination: widow-orphan;= mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman" } DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New= Roman"; mso-style-parent: ""; mso-pagination: widow-orphan;= mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman" } A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; text-underline: single } SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; text-underline: single } A:visited { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; text-underline: single } SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; text-underline: single } P { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in;= FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; mso-pagination: widow-orphan;= mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-margin-top-alt:= auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto } SPAN.EmailStyle17 { COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-style-type: personal-reply;= mso-style-noshow: yes; mso-ansi-font-size: 10.0pt;= mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial;= mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial } SPAN.SpellE { mso-style-name: ""; mso-spl-e: yes } SPAN.GramE { mso-style-name: ""; mso-gram-e: yes } DIV.Section1 { page: Section1 } </STYLE> <DIV>I disagree. BS in not= pure.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Carl Meyer Ptg assoc Santa Clara,= Ca.</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px;= MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT:= 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----= </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color:= black">From: <A title=davidlovepianos@comcast.net= href="mailto:davidlovepianos@comcast.net">David Love</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">To: <A= title=pianotech@ptg.org= href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">'Pianotech'</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Sent: Friday, September 24,= 2004 4:53 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Subject: Practicing on a not= so good piano: was RE: tax deductions?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV class=Section1> <SPAN= style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I would= say that the idea that practicing on a not so great piano makes= you a better pianist is at least counterintuitive, at most, pure= BS.  Much of= learning and refining piano skills has= to do with developing your sense of hearing and connecting what= your hands do to what your ears hear.  It is not, <SPAN= class=SpellE>afterall, the same as learning to type.=  The poorer the= piano, the more you learn to not listen, to ignore what you hear= and therefore surrender control over what you are trying to= accomplish musically.  Wondering whether the mechanical problems you= are encountering in executing a difficult passage belong to your= fingers or the action can o! nly serve to confuse the issue more= and force you into some bad habits with respect to relaxation= that will not serve your technique or tone production at= all.  <SPAN= style="mso-spacerun: yes"> And as far as advocating= poorer pianos for our adult piano students to improve their= technique…well that would be counterproductive.<SPAN= style="mso-spacerun: yes">  Remember, critical= thinking is a privilege, not a right.  You have to earn it. <SPAN= style="mso-spacerun:= yes"> <o:p></o:p> <SPAN= style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY:= Arial"><o:p> </o:p> <DIV> <SPAN= style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes">David= Love davidlovepianos@comcast.net= <o:p></o:p></DIV> -----Original Message----- <SPAN= style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:= pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org]= On Behalf Of Avery= Todd Sent:= Friday, September 24, 2004 2:51 PM <SPAN= style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To: Pianotech <SPAN= style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject: Re: tax= deductions? <o:p> </o:p> Bull hockey!= Avery At 09:23 PM 9/23/04, you wrote:<BR= style="mso-special-character: line-break"><BR= style="mso-special-character:= line-break"><o:p></o:p> Richard= said:   "I tell them that children and or adults will= practice more and can get much more from the practice with a= good piano."   That is only good to a certain= extent.  After the kid, or adult progresses to a certain= level, it will be more beneficial to practice on a not so great= piano.  It can do many great wonders to piano= technique. Matthew Richard Oliver Snelson= <rsnelson0984@mchsi.com>= wrote:<o:p></o:p> That's not what Ryan= said, Mr. Hechler. Too bad about your nerve, must be= <o:p></o:p> the same one you= often hit when your past rants about= M.S.<o:p></o:p> I will do exactly= what Ryan said also. Finding a junk spinet or console in= <o:p></o:p> a nice home with an= older child or younger taking serious lessons on it will= <o:p></o:p> bring on a= discussion with the mother or father. I don't care if they ever= <o:p></o:p> call me back to tune= for them. I tell them that children and or adults will= <o:p></o:p> practice more and= can get much more from the practice with a good piano. I= <o:p></o:p> have never had= anyone get mad at me, they say wow! No one has had the nerve= <o:p></o:p> to be honest with us= about the piano. After all someone gave it too us and= <o:p></o:p> we really thought it= would be nice to have a better piano for our= <o:p></o:p> son/daughter to= play. Note I didn't say "Grand." And I never follow the= <o:p></o:p> above discussion= with the fact that I might h! ave used pianos for= sale.<o:p></o:p> Play your antique= piano all you want Mr. Hechler I'll keep on enjoying my= <o:p></o:p> grand piano and= having the pleasure of going back to my customers house when= <o:p></o:p> they call to say= they purchased a better piano.<o:p></o:p> Why should Ryan keep= his statement to himself? You never follow that advice.= <o:p></o:p> Now do= you?<o:p></o:p> Richard Oliver= Snelson<o:p></o:p> ----- Original= Message ----- <o:p></o:p> From: "Hechler= Family" <o:p></o:p> To: "Pianotech"= <o:p></o:p> Sent: Thursday,= September 23, 2004 3:12 PM<o:p></o:p> Subject: Re: tax= deductions? <BR= style="mso-special-character:= line-break"><o:p></o:p> >= Ryan,<o:p></o:p> ><o:p></o:p> > Boy have you= hit a major nerve with me.<o:p></o:p> ><o:p></o:p> > Based on your= comment, everyone should upgrade to a grand. Nearly 99= <o:p></o:p> > percent of my= business is the pianos you mentioned below. If which 99= <o:p></o:p> > percent have no= space for a grand or don't want a grand. And to top things= <o:p></o:p> > off, I own an= antique player piano which is a Story & Clark which I feel= <o:p></o:p> > is a g! ood= quality instrument. Finally, I also rebuild antique pump organs= <o:p></o:p> > which are not= upgradeable.<o:p></o:p> ><o:p></o:p> > So please keep= your blanket statements to= yourself.<o:p></o:p> ><o:p></o:p> > P.S. I recently= acquired a player piano rebuilt job for a Gulbransen= <o:p></o:p> >= piano.<o:p></o:p> ><o:p></o:p> > Ryan Sowers= wrote:<o:p></o:p> ><o:p></o:p> >= <o:p></o:p> ><o:p></o:p> >> Very= frequently I am encouraging people to upgrade their spinet,= <o:p></o:p> >> consoles,= and worn-out uprights. How could I do this in good faith if I= <o:p></o:p> >> don't= personally value the instrument enough to warrant owning a good= <o:p></o:p> >> quality= one.<o:p></o:p> ><o:p></o:p> > --= <o:p></o:p> > Duaine= Hechler<o:p></o:p> > Piano, Player= Piano, Organ, Pump Organ<o:p></o:p> > Tuning,= Servicing & Rebuilding<o:p></o:p> > Associate= Member of the Piano Technicians= Guild<o:p></o:p> > Reed Organ= Society Member<o:p></o:p> > St. Louis, MO= 63034<o:p></o:p> > (314)= 838-5587<o:p></o:p> >= dahechler@charter.net<o:p></o:p> ><o:p></o:p> >= _______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></SPAN= > > pianot! ech= list info: <A= href="https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives"= eudora="autourl">https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives</= A><o:p></o:p> > <BR= style="mso-special-character: line-break"><BR= style="mso-special-character:= line-break"><o:p></o:p> _______________________________________________<o:p></o:p>= pianotech list= info: <A href="https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives"= eudora="autourl">https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives</= A><o:p></o:p> __________________________________________________ Do= You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam= protection around <A href="http://mail.yahoo.com/"= eudora="autourl">http://mail.yahoo.com</A>= <o:p></o:p></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></D= IV> Ryan Sowers, RPT Puget Sound Chapter Pianova Piano= Service Olympia, WA __________________________________________________ Do You= Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam= protection around http://mail.yahoo.com= </BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>