<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:st1 = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1106" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY id=role_body style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: = Verdana" bottomMargin=7 leftMargin=7 topMargin=7 rightMargin=7> <DIV> <DIV>Listers,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I bought a tube of acetone/super-glue remover at the local Ace hardware= today in hopes that I could get this puppy taken care of.  I took it ov= er to a piano store and spooged some ZAP CA glue onto a like piece of= piano now being used as a desk.  I let it dry for awhile, then applied = the remover.  The results were unbecoming, to put it mildly.  Don't tr= y this at home, kids.  It discolors and re-textures the finish.  It = may work on the shiny stuff, but not on the satin.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I hope keyslips aren't too expensive.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Dave Stahl</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In a message dated 7/29/05 2:30:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time, deanmay@pianorebuilders.com writes:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid"><= FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=Arial color=#000000 size= =2> <DIV class=Section1> Actually, steel= wool will not get the scratch marks you  need to make a polyester = finish look satin. I think they start with 400/600 sanding all in one direction a= nd then soften that with 1000 grit, again in the same direction. The finish i= s too hard for steel wool alone. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> </o:= p> <DIV> Dean<o:p></o= :p> Dean May       &nbs= p;     cell 812.239.3359<o:p></o:p> PianoRebuilders.= com   812.235.5272<o:p></o:p> <st1:place><st1:City>Terre Haute</st1:City> <st1:State>IN</st1:State><FONT= color=navy>  <st1:PostalCode><F= ONT color=navy>47802</st1:PostalCo= de></st1:place><o:p></o:p></DI= V> <o:p> </o:= p> -----Original Message----- From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of John Ross Sent: <st1:date Month= ="7" Day="29" Year="2005">Friday, July 29, 2005</st1:date> <st1:time Hour="11" Minute="50">11:50 AM</st1:time> To: Pianotech Subject: Re: Howdya get CA off of polyester??? <o:p> </o:p></= P> <DIV> To make a pol= yester finish satin, it appears that the finish is rubbed with a block that is covered in superfine steel wool, or a fine grit sand paper. This breaks up= the shine with very fine scratches, that go in straight lines, not circular.<o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> There is one = story I heard of a guy that had a satin finish Yamaha, and he polished it so much = that it ended up with some sections high gloss and some not. They had neglected= to tell him, his finish was satin, and he thought is should be shinier.<o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> John M. Ross <st1:place><st1:City>Windsor</st1:City>, <st1:State>= Nova Scotia</st1:State>, <st1:country-region>Canada</st1:country-region></st1:place> <A title=mailto:jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca href="mailto:jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca">jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca</A><o:p></= o:p></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medium= none; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN: 5pt 0in 5pt 3.75pt; B= ORDER-LEFT: black 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"= > <DIV> ----- Original Message ---= -- <o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV style="font-color: black"> <= B>From:</= SPAN> <A title=mailto:mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com href="mailto:mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com">Farrell</A> <o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> To:</SP= AN> <A title=mailto:pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Piano= tech</A> <o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> Sent:</= SPAN> <st1:date Month="7" Day="29" Year="2005">Friday, Jul= y 29, 2005</st1:date> <st1:time Hour="12" Minute="11">12:11 PM</st1:time><o:p></o:p><= /P></DIV> <DIV> Subject= : Re: Howdya get CA off of polyester???<o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> <o:p> </o:p></DIV> <DIV> Oops, I missed that. Right= you are. Thanks.<o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV>  <o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> But that begs another ques= tion: Is it not likely that either the finish is not polyester or that another= finish has been applied over the poly? I don't know that I have ever see= n a polyester finish in satin - seems it would just turn kinda white. Best b= e careful with this one....<o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV>  <o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> Terry Farrell<o:p></o:p></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: medi= um none; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN: 5pt 0in 5pt 3.75pt;= BORDER-LEFT: black 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium non= e"> <DIV> <o:p> </o:p></DIV> In this particular case it is a satin finish. I don’t think he= ’ll need the buffing wheel or polish. <o:p></o:p> <o:p> = </o:p> <DIV> Dean<o:p= ></o:p> Dean May<SPA= N style="mso-spacerun: yes">       =       cell 812.239.3359<o:p></o:p> PianoRebuild= ers.com   812.235.5272<o:p></o:p> <st1:place><st1:Cit= y>Terre Haute</st1:City> <st1:State><FO= NT color=navy>IN</st1:State><= FONT color=navy>  <st1:PostalCode>47802</st1:Post= alCode></st1:place><o:p></o:p>= </DIV> <o:p> = </o:p> <DIV> CA can be dissolved with acet= one. Acetone won't hurt polyester, particularly if its only in contact with= the polyester for a short time. After you wash the CA off, just polish the= polyester surface again with any of the polymer polishes. It will take= the slight dulling off to come up just like new. But please make sure that the fini= sh you are proposing to removing the CA from is indeed polyester. If its acid= cat or any of the other lacquers, acetone will remove both the CA and the lacquer coating.<o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> <o:p> </o:p></DIV> <DIV> Ron O.<o:p></o:p></DIV> <DIV> <o:p> </o:p></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt" cite="" type="cite"> And the= n of course, have your buffing wheel available!<o:p></o:p></BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt" cite="" type="cite">  <o:p></o:p></BLOCKQU= OTE> <BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt" cite="" type="cite"> Terry Farrell<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p></F= ONT> <BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt"> I have scraped it off with a razor or knife and then dressed the finish w= ith a little 4/0 steel wool. You could even use some 600 sandpaper fir= st and then the steel wool. Try an inconspicuous area first to see ho= w it is going to look on the finish. But if you can hardly see it now probably hitting a couple of times with the steel wool will make i= t disappear.<o:p></o:p></BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt">  <= /SPAN><o:p></o:p></BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt"> Dean</SP= AN><o:p></o:p></BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt"> Dean May<o:p></o:p></BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt">  <o:p></o:p></BLO= CKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt"> I ju= st finished tuning a satin walnut polyester piano that has a few loos= e pins.  It's a couple of years old, and still under warranty, = but I figured I try to CA a couple of pins anyway. <o:p></o:p></BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt"> &nbs= p;<o:p></o:p></BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt"> Just= to prove that performing that operation requires care and patience, I= spilled a very small amount on the keyslip....:-([(<o:p></o:p></BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt"> At l= east it isn't laquer.  I got most of it off before it had time to = set, but as we all know, the stuff dries durned fast!  So there ar= e a couple of very small marks on the front. <o:p></o:p></BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt"> &nbs= p;<o:p></o:p></BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt"> The = finish doesn't appear to be damaged at all, and it's hardly visible, but = I can see it.  I'd like to do right by the customer and get it = off if possible, but I didn't want to apply chemicals that might take = the finish off in conjunction with the glue...<o:p></o:p></BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt"> &nbs= p;<o:p></o:p></BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt"> If a= ny of you have an idea about how to remove this stuff, please let me know!<o:p></o:p></BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt"> &nbs= p;<o:p></o:p></BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt"> It's= always on the fourth tuning of the day...<o:p></o:p></BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt"> &nbs= p;<o:p></o:p></BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt"> Than= ks in advance!<o:p></o:p></BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt"> &nbs= p;<o:p></o:p></BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt"> Dave= Stahl</BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BL= OCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV></BODY></HTML>