<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD><TITLE></TITLE> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2668" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Absolutely right, John. The conditions = I was referring to was that in an earlier thread where many listers had = debated whether, in fact, tuning pins <EM>did</EM> turn on their own, and it was = <EM>this</EM> which caused pianos to go out of tune. I simply jumped on = the band-wagon of having, in these "adjusters", irrefutable proof that this = must indeed be the case! :-)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Michael G.(UK)</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=JLFortiner@usadig.com = href="mailto:JLFortiner@usadig.com">John Fortiner</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=michael@gambles.fsnet.co.uk href="mailto:michael@gambles.fsnet.co.uk">'Michael Gamble'</A> = </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, July 17, 2005 = 3:31 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Vertical tuning = pins on upright</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <P><FONT size=2><FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>I can't see (read "imagine") these screw mechanisms turning on their own.  The = must have a lot of help from the special tuning "lever" (a T design) that = is/was provided with the instrument.  I've only tuned 4 or 5 of them, = and each time it has been 3 or more years between tunings.  All they = really needed was a "slight tweaking" and, in a lot of cases, many of the wires were = right where they belonged - in spite of going through seasonal changes (aka soundboard expansion and collapse).  I've never marked one of the = screws to see if it really turns, but I seriously doubt that they do on their = own.</FONT></FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2><FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>One thing I = <STRONG>do know</STRONG> for sure - they are a total pain you-know-where to = replace wire on.<BR><BR>John Fortiner<BR>Billings, MT. = USA<BR></FONT><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Michael Gamble [<A = href="mailto:michael@gambles.fsnet.co.uk">mailto:michael@gambles.fsnet.= co.uk</A>]<BR>Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 7:39 AM<BR>To: John Fortiner; pianotech@ptg.org<BR>Subject: Re: Vertical tuning pins on upright<BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "John = Fortiner" <JLFortiner@usadig.com><BR>To: <staytuned@idirect.com>; <pianotech@ptg.org><BR>Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 4:46 = AM<BR>Subject: RE: Vertical tuning pins on upright<BR><BR><BR>>> And yes - as a = rule - they stay very well tuned for a long period of<BR>>> time = -<BR>> at least in my experience.<BR>Which gets us neatly round to the theories = of pianos going out of tune<BR>because the tuning pins are turning... Yes?<BR>Michael G.(UK)<BR>> John Fortiner<BR>> Billings, MT.<BR>><BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>> From: staytuned@idirect.com [<A = href="mailto:staytuned@idirect.com">mailto:staytuned@idirect.com</A>]<B= R>> Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 6:58 PM<BR>> To: = pianotech@ptg.org<BR>> Subject: Vertical tuning pins on upright<BR>><BR>> In my early = years in this business, I recall facing an upright piano with<BR>> vertical = tuning pins on a screw-type mechanism. I remember that it took<BR>> = some<BR>> cranking to change the pitch slightly.<BR>><BR>> As I don't = recall the make, does anyone know who the maker could have<BR>> = been?<BR>><BR>> It must have stayed tuned for a long time, for I haven't been called back<BR>> since!<BR>><BR>> John Lillico, RPT<BR>> = Oakville  = ON<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR><BR></P></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></BODY>= </HTML>