<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" = http-equiv=Content-Type> <META content="MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><FONT face=Arial lang=0 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><SPAN class=120444718-18012002><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT color=#000000>Mr.</FONT> Breemer, Thanks for your thanks !</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial lang=0 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><SPAN class=120444718-18012002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT lang=0 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><FONT = color=#0000ff><SPAN class=120444718-18012002>I've find a German tuner which is on the = Web and explain that he find too this tempering method (tempering by the twelve = this time).http://www.piano-stopper.de/html/stotune.htm (in German at these times)</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT lang=0 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><FONT = color=#0000ff><SPAN class=120444718-18012002>I wonder if you strip mute the piano, because = I can't tune accurately with this method, the focus point which correspond,d to = the 'octave tempering' seems lost (to me anyway,) went strip muting.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT lang=0 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><FONT = color=#0000ff><SPAN class=120444718-18012002></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT lang=0 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><FONT = color=#0000ff><SPAN class=120444718-18012002>Have you an idea on why the unisons color is = changed too ?</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT lang=0 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><FONT = color=#0000ff><SPAN class=120444718-18012002></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT lang=0 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><FONT = color=#0000ff><SPAN class=120444718-18012002>When tuning with a less stretched, more = "classical" way, I often have unisons phasing differently. I try to avoid at any = price the exaggeration when it comes to stretch , because the sound can be too = aggressive then, and the color is then lost.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT lang=0 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><FONT = color=#0000ff><SPAN class=120444718-18012002></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT lang=0 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><FONT = color=#0000ff><SPAN class=120444718-18012002>Anyway your method is a real "ear opener" . = When tired it is difficult to accept the strong sound of the piano, but if the = sound is warm and strong together, then everything is easy. </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT lang=0 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><FONT = color=#0000ff><SPAN class=120444718-18012002>As I am a "perfect ear guy" this method is = easy. Personally I like the color of the fifths and twelve's when they move, I = don't like the Cordier fifths so much, that is because some life remains in = the twelve's that I like your sound. I wonder if we are not having the = higher partials giving the life in the interval, as the classical 3:1 ratio is certainly more than pure.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial><SPAN = class=120444718-18012002>How do you tune the bass with your method ? for me the  fast rolling of = the tenths is not acceptable in classical tuning, but when it comes to = open the sound then it does not disturb  (funny is not it = !)</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial><SPAN class=120444718-18012002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT lang=0 size=3 = FAMILY="SANSSERIF"> Perhaps some of those who find it hard to believe that I can tune as quickly as I can = and do "all the checks" will realize that I don't need to any more than just = one for each of the notes in the 1st, 2nd, 5th, 6th and 7th octaves and have = results just as quickly and accurately as if I had used an ETD<SPAN class=120444718-18012002><FONT color=#0000ff size=2> </FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT lang=0 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><SPAN class=120444718-18012002></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff lang=0 = FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><SPAN class=120444718-18012002>I guess that primarily it is a different way = of hearing, first I learned to open my unisons (takes a long time), then my = octaves and now I can open many intervals with the same warm sound quality.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT lang=0 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><SPAN class=120444718-18012002></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT lang=0 size=3 = FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><SPAN class=120444718-18012002> </SPAN>Now, Oleg, if you will make the = effort to try to learn the EBVT, I am sure that you will find it to be superior to = the Cordier temperament.  You will get the same good effect with = Romantic music as you get with the Cordier but earlier music played in the simple keys = with close harmony will sound much more harmonious. <BR><BR>In my opinion, = the idea of tuning a temperament with all pure 5ths is self serving to the tuner only<SPAN class=120444718-18012002><FONT color=#0000ff size=2> </FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT lang=0 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><SPAN class=120444718-18012002><FONT color=#0000ff>-It is a essay to have = a better sound first, sure it is easier for the tuner, but it have it's value in = schools where less than good instruments are available, and there are not enough = tunings.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff lang=0 = FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><SPAN class=120444718-18012002>Because may be of the fixity of these = temperament and tuning mode, the pianos seems to hold tune longer, I mean that it accept = a lot of drifting. and moving .</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff lang=0 = FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><SPAN class=120444718-18012002>But I had remarks of musicians that it can be = tiring (boring) for their ears with time. That is why some tuners using the = Cordier method modify it on some pianos (Yamahas i.e.) = </SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT lang=0 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><SPAN class=120444718-18012002></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT lang=0 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><SPAN class=120444718-18012002></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT lang=0 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><SPAN class=120444718-18012002></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT lang=0 size=3 = FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><SPAN class=120444718-18012002> </SPAN>Therefore, it is better to = accept that fact and *arrange* the consequences to align themselves with the Cycle = of 5ths.  The tempered 5th sound that is displeasing to a tuner will not be = heard in the typical musical context.  The EBVT, as many HT's do provides a canceling out effect that causes that tempered sound to be "swallowed".  Also, my Tempered Octave method "cleans up" this sound in the = outer octaves.  The EBVT with Tempered Octaves will provide you with the cleanest, purest, most harmonious sounding piano you have ever heard. =  Try it and you will be amazed. <FONT size=2><FONT = color=#0000ff><SPAN class=120444718-18012002> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV= > <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT lang=0 size=3 = FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><FONT size=2><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN class=120444718-18012002></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV= > <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT lang=0 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><FONT = color=#0000ff><SPAN class=120444718-18012002>I guess that I begin to have an idea of what = it can do ( I will try it for sure). One of our best tuners (retired now) , used = to tune a temperament that you hear as being absolutely even (ET kind), but with = much more color All "Romantics asked him" . When listening to the thirds, they all = grow up quietly in sequence, but If you check it against a EDT , you find a lot = of jumps that you can't understand where they come from, because they are = basically not perceptible when listening. Of course if you begin to listen to the = partials there you will find the "errors" , but if you listen to the = partials you stop tuning BMO - that is why it is so difficult to use these ETD while = trying to tune musically. </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT lang=0 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><FONT = color=#0000ff><SPAN class=120444718-18012002></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT lang=0 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><FONT = color=#0000ff><SPAN class=120444718-18012002></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT lang=0 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><FONT = color=#0000ff><SPAN class=120444718-18012002>Regards, I will let you know the following.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT lang=0 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><FONT = color=#0000ff><SPAN class=120444718-18012002></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT lang=0 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><FONT = color=#0000ff><SPAN class=120444718-18012002>Isaac OLEG</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT lang=0 size=3 = FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><FONT size=2><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN class=120444718-18012002></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV= > <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT lang=0 size=3 = FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><FONT size=2><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN class=120444718-18012002></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV= > <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT lang=0 size=3 = FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><FONT size=2><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN class=120444718-18012002></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV= > <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT lang=0 size=3 = FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><FONT size=2><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN class=120444718-18012002></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV= > <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT lang=0 size=3 = FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><FONT size=2><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN class=120444718-18012002></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV= > <DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT lang=0 size=3 = FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><FONT size=2><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN class=120444718-18012002></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV= > <DIV><FONT lang=0 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><SPAN = class=120444718-18012002></SPAN><FONT size=2><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT face=Arial><SPAN class=120444718-18012002> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV= > <DIV> </DIV></BODY></HTML>