<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 5.50.4611.1300" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    OK, here's what I = was saying. Having all three criteria is quite possible, provided that you are = working on an action which well engineered, and in good repair. If not, then at least = the attempt should be made. You have choices to be made of course, such as; = is it warranted to replace some parts that you deemed good enough = before?  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    If everything has = been regulated as well as can be done, the one place I would probably fudge would be = key dip. Not much either, just enough to get the aftertouch the correct feel. I = like an even hammer line, and I like an even key dip, and if the aftertouch = feels even, I don't think the pianist is going to notice one key dip being .003 = deeper than the other. ( Unless he's checking with a dip block!)  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    I usually can = achieve this result. But there are pianos out there that just aren't going to give it = to you. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    My response on this = thread was originally to say that we really shouldn't be satisfied with just two of = the three criteria met. We should always strive to have all three, and if = you can't achieve it then find out why not. By decent action, I was referring to = one in which the capstan line and balance rail holes etc. are all in an even = line. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>    Oh, and by the way,I = never assume anything, especially something as important as = aftertouch.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>Kevin E. Ramsey<BR><A href="mailto:ramsey@extremezone.com">ramsey@extremezone.com</A> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=yardbird@vermontel.net = href="mailto:yardbird@vermontel.net">Bill Ballard</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 23, 2001 = 5:10 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Steinway = regulation</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><U>Kevin E. Ramsey</U> <<A href="mailto:ramsey@extremezone.com">ramsey@extremezone.com</A>> wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>No, how about uniform dip, uniform aftertouch, and an even = hammer line?<BR>If you can't achieve that, then go back and start = over. As in the beginning,<BR>this time doing those repairs you should have = done? I'm not trying to be<BR>smart, or mad, or anything, but seriously..... = on a decent action, you CAN<BR>have it all. When all else fails, follow = the directions,,,,,,, or learn<BR>them.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>You must not = be specifically setting in aftertouch in increments of 1 mil punchings, = more likely setting in a uniform dip and blow AND assuming that "a decent = action" will obligingly provide uniform aftertouch. What extent of repairs are = you willing to perform along the way towards an action decent enough to = oblige? And to what tolerances? Knuckle bolstering is certainly on the list. Re-hanging knuckles where the molding is not square to the shank or = *some* specified distance from the hammer center? How 'bout the same for the = capstans or the balance rail pins? And does uniform blow include measuring each = note from the strings, not just the section ends? If your tolerances were = exacting, would the action honor them with with a uniform aftertouch.<BR><BR>I'm = with Mike and Bob. It's the same 2 out of 3 that we face everyday in = tuning. Regardless of theoretical calculations, no piano will give us clean = octaves AND smooth thirds AND smooth fifths. I've said before in an earlier = thread on this subject that given a uniform blow, and a disagreement between dip = and aftertouch of 5 mils, the pianist will definitely notice the 5 mil = error left in a 50 mill aftertouch much faster than that same error left in a = .390" dip. <BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>On the other hand,,, I just had this nightmare Brambach = that I was<BR>handed the other day. Maybe in the next few days I'll get the = strength back<BR>to write about it without shuddering.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Have fun with it. But the issue in = this thread can be demonstrated with any action.<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>> BobDavis88@AOL.COM wrote:<BR>><BR>> > This = brings up an interesting question anyway, whether to insist on = uniform<BR>> > DIP or uniform AFTERTOUCH.<BR>><BR>> How about insisting on = both even dip and even aftertouch? Crooked hamme line<BR>> tolerated first, = (within reason)<BR>><BR>> Just an initial gut = reaction,<BR>><BR>> -Mike Jorgensen<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>