<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1264" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; BACKGROUND-COLOR: = #ffffff" bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=3>Most certainly some better designed pianos come = out just fine with what the SAT calculates - but even still, you still need to = listen carefully to make sure (not that you turn your ears off with the VT, but = with its use, you soon learn that it is simply always spot-on (or at least as = near as one can reasonably imagine) - even on the spinets). And please = realize I am not trying to denigrate the wonderful little SAT3 - it is a fabulous = tool. I'm just stating what I have observed to be the difference between the two machines. Perhaps my statement reflects the type of pianos that = some of us commonly tune. I tune about 378 Winter and Aeolian spinets for = every Steinway B I see (I even see more Tom-Thumb-type pianos than big "B"s). = I reckon that makes a difference!  ;-)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>IMHO, when I can autopilot through the bass = break terror on a "Grand" spinet, I find myself much more pleasant to my family that evening!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>Terry Farrell</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=rinkyd@pacbell.net href="mailto:rinkyd@pacbell.net">Phil Frankenberg</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November 04, = 2003 4:05 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Wanted Acu-tuner = -3</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV>Dale</DIV> <DIV>The area you reler to is the problem area for me too, although = only on very few pianos. A newer B that I sevice does exactly what you = describe, yet four other Bs have no problem. I have found that its best not to = rely on a stored tuning, but to take FAC readings every time. They do change for = whatever reason. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Phil</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=Erwinspiano@aol.com href="mailto:Erwinspiano@aol.com">Erwinspiano@aol.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November 04, = 2003 12:33 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Wanted Acu-tuner = -3</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV> <DIV>    <STRONG> HI Phil    </STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG> I have to confess being trained & worked as = an aural tuner as well & I have found that I disagree with the way = the Any sat model calculates the low tenor below the f-3 to the break.To my = ear it always tunes it too flat. It's not a big deal. I usually = overide it & I just tune around it aurally.</STRONG></DIV> <DIV><STRONG>  Dale</STRONG></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px = solid"> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Terry</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>I feel you are missrepresenting the SATlll = in your statement below. I've been using the SATlll for three years and = from my perspective using manual stretch is the exception. By far, the = majority of the pianos I tune need very little or no correction at all. I = tuned strictly aurally for 28 years and I love the SATlll. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Phil Frankenberg</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>CSU Chico,  Ca.</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">---- Original Message ----- = </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=mailto:mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com href="mailto:mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com">Farrell</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=mailto:pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, November = 04, 2003 8:16 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Wanted = Acu-tuner -3</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3><BR><BR><FONT face=Arial>IMHO, if you like = listening to your octaves and manually setting your stretch in the various = areas of the scale each time you tune a piano - the little powerhouse = SAT 3 is hard to beat - it is so simple and a pure pleasure to use. If = you like to just shift into autopilot (but of course, still have complete = control over stretch settings, etc.) and produce fantabulous tuning time = after time on any piano, go with the VT. And of course the VT has all = sort of other bells and whistles.</FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT><FONT = face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=3>I was in love with my SAT 3, = but I'm also in love with my VT and I feel like we are still on the honeymoon = after almost two years now!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT><FONT = face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=3>Terry Farrell</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT><FONT = face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV> <DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#000040></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>