<html> <body> Hi Dean,                  James in now offering the Jolly loops, there is an extra charge. the knot is only about 7mm long ,average. You will have to measure the diameter of the hitch pin, and he will supply precision loops.  The stretch of the knot is way less than the traditional English loop. Some pianos, have two hitch pin diameters in the bass. We have field tested this system over several years. Tuning stability caused by knot creep is significantly superior. Regards Roger At 06:20 AM 4/8/2005, you wrote: <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">I love Arledge strings. Most of my work is done on middle of the road to low end pianos and they sound great. Much more consistent than I was getting from Mapes. When I used Mapes I would get sections that did not sound good. Was it voicing, dead area of the soundboard or bad strings? Who knows. Once I asked them to remake a section which they did and I got some improvement. I've never had to do that with Arledge. At the Indy convention last October Del spoke about reducing the size of the loops and getting them up off the plate to add flexibility in the backscale. Attached is a link to a picture of a Walters grand that was there showing off an unusual hitch pin Del likes to use. The next set of strings I ordered from Arledge I tried to get the shorter loop and they said they really couldn't do it. Has that changed? I want a set with the "Jolly" loops. ;-) I haven't tried the unusual pins. But I did try sticking a thin washer under the loops of one set to get the strings off the plate. It worked. Hard to tell how much improvement it actually made. Dean Photo at: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/62yu8" eudora="autourl"> http://tinyurl.com/62yu8</a> Direct ptg.org URL: <a href="https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/files/attachments/ab/cb/d5/06/DSCF6402.JPG" eudora="autourl"> https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/files/attachments/ab/cb/d5/06/DSCF6402.JPG</a> -----Original Message----- From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [<a href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org" eudora="autourl"> mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a>] On Behalf Of Roger Jolly Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 9:26 PM To: files@ptg.org Subject: Re: The "Jolly Loop" (Modified by Kent Swafford) At 08:46 PM 4/7/2005, you wrote: <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">I did try a set of Arledge strings with the “Jolly Loop”.  S&S model O.  While the piano also had a new soundboard with a modified bass bridge which shortened the cantilever and extended the backscale a bit, not to mention recalculated bass scale (thank you Del Fandrich),</blockquote> <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">the bass quality on this instrument was exceptional.   </blockquote>   Hi David,                     Including photo to answer the curious.  Theoretical increase in back scale length, to improve bass bridge response.   Regards Roger Photo at: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/4ydys" eudora="autourl"> http://tinyurl.com/4ydys</a> Direct ptg.org URL: <a href="https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/files/attachments/0b/0d/04/aa/" eudora="autourl"> https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/files/attachments/0b/0d/04/aa/</a> Jollybassloop.JPG _______________________________________________ pianotech list info: <a href="https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives" eudora="autourl"> https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives</a> _______________________________________________ pianotech list info: <a href="https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives" eudora="autourl"> https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives</a> </blockquote></body> </html>