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<DIV><SPAN class=379401920-11052002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>Wahoo
Terry ! :</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379401920-11052002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379401920-11052002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>Hand
fitted pin block will change the plate location ?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379401920-11052002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379401920-11052002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>On
what pianos ?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379401920-11052002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379401920-11052002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>When
capstan lines are to be moved this is mainly to change the leverage =
because the
hammers that one want to use are too heavy to lend to an =
acceptable
Balance Weight (DW+UW /2) ? </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379401920-11052002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379401920-11052002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>Don't
look too far. Capstan may be a little out of right line because of play =
in the
machine used to guide the parts while drilled.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379401920-11052002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379401920-11052002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>The
angled whippen may be replaced with a vertical one =
too.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379401920-11052002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379401920-11052002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>Rant
:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379401920-11052002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379401920-11052002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>It is
wonderful on this forum, that is enough to write a lot about all and =
everything
to became an experienced person. ( Someone with such intensive =
experience
!)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379401920-11052002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379401920-11052002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>I
personally work in this trade for long enough to begin to understand =
that I am
at last a little experienced.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379401920-11052002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>But
this have come by a long road, as for anyone, and of course to make it =
short it
is mostly an education question. Something that we can't find in =
books or
on a forum, even if all the material is probably there =
yet.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379401920-11052002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379401920-11052002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>And I
don't believe no more in the self training (but for tuning, and =
there we
need someone to play the instrument). Learning by ourselves only is a =
BIG loss
of time, even if of course we are always alone in our process of
amelioration.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379401920-11052002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379401920-11052002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>End of
Rant.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379401920-11052002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379401920-11052002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>Got
nothing personally against you , Terry (since I've read that you almost =
burned
your elector's card) , but as you show so much enthusiasm, and express =
strong
general opinions , then, if I remember correctly you are just beginning =
with
some luck to produce a decent work since a few, so restrain a bit =
yourself as
for generalities. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379401920-11052002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379401920-11052002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>I am
an hypersensitive kind of guy, my primal source of information around me =
is
sound, then, touch, and then only look. I am actually very grateful to =
Andre to
show me how hammers are to be treated to produce a fine tone, eventually =
even on
not so good instruments. This and a few important Principe's in =
regulation, have
made my life very pleasing recently. Even on worn pianos, screwed =
hammers,
far than ideal situation, having learn to work with a good procedure =
makes
things a lot easier. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379401920-11052002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379401920-11052002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>You
can work for years and be happy with your work, and put the fault to the =
piano,
but if you are frustrated on so many instruments, as I've been, you may =
ask
yourself why.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379401920-11052002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379401920-11052002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>Generally, the most frustration when in front of a new piano =
come from
the precedent tech, that apply incorrect methods, sometime hurting the
instrument more than necessary, so think about it, how do you leave =
these
'problematic pianos' ?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379401920-11052002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379401920-11052002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>You
are lucky in the US that there are some very high level techs and that =
they are
willing to show you what they know, or part of it. The learning process =
is well
probably way faster than in our traditional old fashioned Europe (when I =
was
young technician, some old techs just stopped working if you came in =
their room)
. So I would say that you may learn with them, and not loose your time =
believing
that things are at hand.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379401920-11052002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379401920-11052002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>My
best</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379401920-11052002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=379401920-11052002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff =
size=2>Isaac
OLEG</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT =
face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Message d'origine-----<BR><B>De :</B> =
owner-pianotech@ptg.org
[mailto:owner-pianotech@ptg.org]<B>De la part de</B>
Farrell<BR><B>Envoyé :</B> samedi 11 mai 2002 =
19:51<BR><B>À :</B>
pianotech@ptg.org<BR><B>Objet :</B> Re: 1969 Steinway L
CBS?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>I'm lumping 1098s and the little bit smaller consoles =
together.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Some. Some. Some. "...<EM><U><STRONG>some</STRONG></U></EM> =
Steinway
grand pianos exhibit (verdigris, Teflon action centers, poor action =
geometry),
I have much respect for their grand pianos."</DIV>
<DIV><BR>My understanding is that much of that is related to the =
hand-fitted
pinblock (that is also fitted to the case) that in turn
<U><EM><STRONG>CAN</STRONG></EM></U> cause small variations in the =
plate
location, and then when the action stack is installed, it may be =
located too
far forward or toward the rear from optimal, and then of course the =
capstans
are likewise poorly located. On <STRONG><EM><U>SOME</U></EM></STRONG> =
of their
grand pianos. I believe that is one of the reasons why you see David =
Stanwood,
et. al. sometimes moving capstan lines.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Terry Farrell</DIV>
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<DIV>----- Original Message -----
<DIV>From: "Richard Brekne" <<A
=
href="mailto:Richard.Brekne@grieg.uib.no">Richard.Brekne@grieg.uib.no</=
A>></DIV>
<DIV>To: <<A
href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A>></DIV>
<DIV>Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2002 10:40 AM</DIV>
<DIV>Subject: Re: 1969 Steinway L CBS?</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>> Well, its nice to know that you are talking =
strictly about
one model of<BR>> Steinway instruments, and an upright at that. I =
got the
feeling that the<BR>> discussion carried on by others was a bit =
more
inclusive then that. But<BR>> seriously Terry. I have seen at least =
a
hundred 1098's in my years over<BR>> there, and never ran into the =
severe
problems you talk about. Certainly<BR>> not more then I see in =
other
decently put together instruments. So all I<BR>> can say is that my =
own
experience with these instruments is quite<BR>> different then =
yours. While
I am not a particular fan of so called high<BR>> end uprights to =
begin
with, I certainly wouldnt hesitate in recommending<BR>> the fine =
Steinway
name to anyone.<BR>> <BR>> btw... where is it well documented =
that
Steinway grands have "poor<BR>> action geometry" ?<BR>> <BR>> =
RicB<BR>> <BR>SNIP </BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>