<HTML>In a message dated 07/09/01 1:39:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tcole@cruzio.com writes: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Ziti are curved and would not be advisable for jacks. This is where I would use the rigatoni repair </BLOCKQUOTE> My mistake -- I meant PENNE, not Ziti. Ziti would have been good for the spinet repair (due to the curve) but the diameter was too small. Rigatoni was the next best thing. Likewise, Rigatoni is too large for a jack repair. I'm glad to see that someone else has enough common sense to take me seriously. Douglas Vitreous</HTML>