<HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=US-ASCI= I"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2802" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY id=role_body style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; BORDER-T= OP-STYLE: none; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; BORDER-RIGHT-STYLE: none; BORDER-LE= FT-STYLE: none; BORDER-BOTTOM-STYLE: none" bottomMargin=7 leftMargin== 7 topMargin=7 rightMargin=7> <P>Dave,</P> <P>One more thing...this is easily changed back on pianos wit= h spoons...not so easily on Steinways, Yamahas, etc....how many pianos = use spoons for damper/key lift?</P> <P>How did you adjust the spoons for eveniness of lift with keys? =  </P> <P>David Ilvedson, RPT<BR>Pacifica, California<BR><BR><BR><BR></P> <DIV style="PADDING-RIGHT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 5p= x; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 3px solid; PADDING-TOP: 5px"> <HR> Original message<BR>From: Piannaman@aol.com<BR>To: pianotech@ptg.org<BR= >Received: 1/20/2006 7:10:57 PM<BR>Subject: Re: Lightening touch by cha= nging damper timing redux<BR><BR><FONT id=role_document face=Arial = color=#000000 size=2> <DIV> <DIV> <DIV align=left>Dale,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>No doubt about it....but some people like a heavier feel, and some= prefer lighter.  I guess we only really see it as a symptom if it= we don't like the way it feels.  I personally thought the pianos = were fine before I played with the dampers. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'll chalk it up to experience/inexperience, and see how it plays = out over the next few appointments.  One of the appeals of this me= thod for me was that things can be changed back without a huge amount o= f effort.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks for the input,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Dave S., enthusiasm slightly "dampered"</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>In a message dated 1/20/2006 3:49:09 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, E= rwinspiano@aol.com writes:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: = blue 2px solid"><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=Ar= ial color=#000000 size=2> <DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>David</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>  As I think about this I must say that this r= emedy is just treating some other symptom , is it not?  Like poor = geometry, too heavy hammers, or poor weigh off ...if any?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>  Dale:</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: = blue 2px solid"><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=Ar= ial color=#000000 size=2> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: = blue 2px solid"><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=Ar= ial color=#000000 size=2> <DIV><BR class=khtml-block-placeholder></DIV> <DIV>Remember of course that when we measure touch weights on a grand a= ction, the action is usually on the bench or otherwise separated from t= he damper assembly (say, by putting the sustain pedal on). In effect yo= u've made the action feel as those the sustain pedal is on, even when i= t isn't.</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="WORD-= SPACING: 0px; FONT: 12px Helvetica; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; COLOR: rgb(0,= 0,0); TEXT-INDENT: 0px; WHITE-SPACE: normal; LETTER-SPACING: normal; BO= RDER-COLLAPSE: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; khtml-text-decoration= s-in-effect: none; apple-text-size-adjust: auto; orphans: 2; widows: 2"= ><SPAN class=Apple-style-span style="FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"></FONT> </BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>True enough, but we're talking about real world pla= ying.  Measuring on the bench doesn't give an accurate account of = what the player actually feels with the piano fully assembled.</FONT></= DIV></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=2 PTSIZE="10" FAMILY="SANSS= ERIF"><B><I>Dale Erwins Piano Restorations</B> </I><BR>4721 Parker Rd.<= BR>Modesto, Ca 95357<BR>209-577-8397 cell 209-985-0990<BR><B><I>Providi= ng Custom Piano Restoration Services & </I><BR><I>Sales Of Restored= </B><BR><B>Steinway , Mason & Hamlin Pianos</B></I><BR>www.Erwinspi= ano.com</FONT></DIV></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV> <DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT lang=0 face=Arial size=2 PTSIZE="10" FAMILY="SANSS= ERIF">Dave Stahl<BR><BR>Dave Stahl Piano Service<BR>650-224-3560<U><BR>= <A href="http://www.dstahlpiano.net/">http://dstahlpiano.net/</A></U>= </FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>