<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD><TITLE></TITLE> <META http-equiv=Content-Type = content=text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2627" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY text=#000000 bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Please Doug, don't muddy the issue! I'm = not talking about "partials" per se, but about notes on the piano. In tuning at a = given pitch, every note you tune is relative to that pitch. So when I say tune = "A" to 445 I mean the "A" you would expect to BE 440 but have gone past that to = 445. Once you have established that then you're home and dry, Doug. .... = aren't you?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Michael G.(UK)</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=dknabe@airmail.net = href="mailto:dknabe@airmail.net">DKnabe</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 12, 2005 = 12:31 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Pitch Raise</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV>John and List,<BR><BR>Surely Michael means:<BR>     Tune the 16th partial of A0 to A-445;<BR>     Tune the 8th partial of A1 to = A-445; etc<BR>     Tune the 4th partial of C#5 to the 5th = partial of A-445<BR>     etc, = then<BR>     Tune the 8th partial of G4 to the 7th partial of = A-444<BR>    etc. <BR><BR>In other words, keep each string at approximately the = correct pitch, but, for 1st pass,<BR>    overpull by 20 cents = those notes tuned to A-445;  i.e. all A's, C#'s, and = F's<BR>    overpull by 16 cents those notes tuned to A-444; i.e.  all G's, = D#'s and B's<BR>    overpull by 12 cents those notes tune to A-443;  i.e.   all G#'s, C's and = E's<BR>    overpull by  8 cents those notes tuned to A-442; i.e.   = all F#'s, A#'s and D's. <BR><BR>When you finish the first pass, those = notes tuned 20 cents sharp will have fallen to being on-pitch. Since all the notes = are now about right, fine tune it normally on the second = pass.<BR><BR>Regards,<BR>Doug Knabe<BR>Dallas<BR>Michael Gamble wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE cite=mid001a01c556c4$107fb1f0$0100a8c0@MICHAEL = type="cite"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2627" name=GENERATOR><O:SMARTTAGTYPE namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="country-region"></O:SMARTTAGTYPE><O:SMARTTAGTYPE namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PlaceType"></O:SMARTTAGTYPE><O:SMARTTAGTYPE namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PlaceName"></O:SMARTTAGTYPE><O:SMARTTAGTYPE namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"></O:SMARTTAGTYPE> <STYLE>  </STYLE>  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hello John and List</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>You asked:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial> <FONT color=red><SPAN = style="COLOR: red">Do you have any idea how much tension would be = on A-0 when tuned to A-445??? </SPAN></FONT></FONT><FONT face=Wingdings color=red><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: = Wingdings">J</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=red><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2><FONT face=Wingdings color=red><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Non! But = it can't be much above design tension can it!</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2><FONT face=Wingdings color=red><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Go for it = - it works every time. The real "secret" is keeping the tension = equal right across the frame.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2><FONT face=Wingdings color=red><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Talking = about equal - anyone read "An Unequal Music" by Vikram = Seth?</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2><FONT face=Wingdings color=red><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">Regards</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2><FONT face=Wingdings color=red><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Michael G.(UK) </SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: rgb(0,0,0) 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: = normal">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: rgb(228,228,228) 0% 50%; FONT: 10pt arial; = font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; moz-background-clip: = initial; moz-background-origin: initial; moz-background-inline-policy: = initial"><B>From:</B> <A title=JLFortiner@usadig.com = href="mailto:JLFortiner@usadig.com">John Fortiner</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: = normal"><B>To:</B> <A title=michael@gambles.fsnet.co.uk href="mailto:michael@gambles.fsnet.co.uk">'Michael Gamble'</A> ; = <A title=tomtuner@comcast.net = href="mailto:tomtuner@comcast.net">'tom driscoll'</A> ; <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: = normal"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, May 12, 2005 1:05 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: = normal"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Pitch Raise</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV class=Section1> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy = size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy = size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" = align=center><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <HR tabIndex=-1 align=center width="100%" SIZE=2> </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; = FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> Michael Gamble [<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext = href="mailto:michael@gambles.fsnet.co.uk">mailto:michael@gambles.fsnet.= co.uk</A>] <BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> = Wednesday, May 11, 2005 3:08 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: = bold">To:</SPAN></B> tom driscoll; <A = href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: Pitch Raise</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN = style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hello Tom and List</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I suppose it's not = at all helpful to state the obvious - "it's in Archives"! No? Well then = this is the way to do it:</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Have a cheapo ETD - = you know the things - get it from a guitar shop. They usually have A=439 = to A=445 or so. With that tune all the A's to the A=445 - all 8 of them. = <FONT color=red><SPAN style="COLOR: red">Do you have any idea how = much tension would be on A-0 when tuned to A-445??? = </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Wingdings color=red size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: = Wingdings">J</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=red size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">  </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Next tune the = intermediate M3's i.e. all the C# and the F's. Now quarter of the piano is = done. </SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Next recalibrate the = ETD to A=444. Now tune all the G's to 444 pitch and follow that with = their intermediate M3's - i.e. all the D#'s and all the B's. Now you're half-way!</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Next recalibrate the = ETD to A=443. Tune all the G#'s and then the intermediate M3's. = (three-quarters of the way!)</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Last recalibrate the = ETD to A=442. Tune all the F#'s and then the intermediate M3's</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">And you're = done!<FONT color=red><SPAN style="COLOR: red"> Sounds like a neat system = that I�m going to have to try.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT><FONT = color=red><SPAN style="COLOR: red"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Now fine tune.</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Note this... I = <EM><I><FONT face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">ALWAYS</SPAN></FONT></I></EM><STRONG><B><I><FONT face=Arial><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"> </SPAN></FONT></I></B></STRONG>DETUNE EACH STRING SLIGHTLY BEFORE = PUTTING UP THE TENSION. This breaks the bonding at the pressure bar or = capo. Even use a touch of de-oxidising fluid at those points before you start.</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Regards from a dark = <ST1:PLACE w:st="on"><ST1:PLACENAME w:st="on">Sussex</ST1:PLACENAME> = <ST1:PLACETYPE = w:st="on">Village</ST1:PLACETYPE></ST1:PLACE></SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P><= /P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Michael = G.(<ST1:COUNTRY-REGION w:st="on"><ST1:PLACE = w:st="on">UK</ST1:PLACE></ST1:COUNTRY-REGION>)</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P>= </P></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; = BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN: = 5pt 0in 5pt 3.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; = BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">----- Original = Message -----  <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: rgb(228,228,228) 0% 50%; = moz-background-clip: initial; moz-background-origin: initial; = moz-background-inline-policy: initial"><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; = FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A title=tomtuner@comcast.net = href="mailto:tomtuner@comcast.net">tom driscoll</A> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; = FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A title=pianotech@ptg.org = href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</A> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; = FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Wednesday, May 11, 2005 5:34 = PM<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; = FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Re: Pitch Raise<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" = size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" = size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; = BORDER-TOP: medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN: = 5pt 0in 5pt 3.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; = BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">----- Original = Message ----- <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: rgb(228,228,228) 0% 50%; = moz-background-clip: initial; moz-background-origin: initial; = moz-background-inline-policy: initial"><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; = FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A title=michael@gambles.fsnet.co.uk href="mailto:michael@gambles.fsnet.co.uk">Michael Gamble</A> = <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; = FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> <A title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> <O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; = FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:54 = AM<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; = FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> Pitch Raise<O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" = size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><O:P></O:P></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hello List</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">. <SNIP>So = I used my "Quadrant System" to bring it up to A=440 and fine tune = it in two hours. <SNIP></SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">    Michael G.(<ST1:COUNTRY-REGION w:st="on"><ST1:PLACE = w:st="on">UK</ST1:PLACE></ST1:COUNTRY-REGION>)</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P>= </P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">    </SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">    Michael,</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">    Could you elaborate on the Quadrant system ?</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">    Thanks,</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial">    Tom Driscoll RPTired = today.</SPAN></FONT><O:P></O:P></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>= </BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>