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But I remeber with RCT having = done 200 cts PR in one pass, then tuning, and obtained a "it seem to hold fine" = from the (dumb) customers 1 year later - Yamaha U3 for that = case.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=590573814-09112003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=590573814-09112003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2>What happens to the bridge/soundboard when adding 25 % tension to a string = should be computed in term of elongation and bridge move then we'll have a better picture.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=590573814-09112003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=590573814-09112003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2>Best Regards.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=590573814-09112003></SPAN><SPAN class=590573814-09112003></SPAN><SPAN = class=590573814-09112003></SPAN><SPAN class=590573814-09112003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=590573814-09112003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff = size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <STYLE>  </STYLE> <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=320 border=0> <TBODY> <TR> <TD> <TABLE height=80 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=320 = align=right border=0> <TBODY> <TR> <TD class=tiny> <TABLE style="BORDER-RIGHT: #666666 1px solid; 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MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = solid"> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT = face=Tahoma size=2>-----Message d'origine-----<BR><B>De :</B> pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org]<B>De la = part de</B> Farrell<BR><B>Envoyé :</B> dimanche 9 novembre 2003 13:05<BR><B>À :</B> Pianotech<BR><B>Objet :</B> Re: = Accu-Tuner ad<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial>You are = comfortable overshooting targeted pitch by up to 86 cents? Please don't do that to = my piano! Seems to me a two-pass pitch raise is advisable in such a case = - first pass targeting standard pitch, and the second with the appropriate overpull.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial>Terry Farrell</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: "Don" <</FONT><A href="mailto:pianotuna@accesscomm.ca"><FONT face=Arial size=2>pianotuna@accesscomm.ca</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To: "Pianotech" <</FONT><A href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org"><FONT face=Arial size=2>pianotech@ptg.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial = size=2>></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 = 3:34 PM</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: Re: Accu-Tuner = ad</FONT></DIV></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT = face=Arial size=2>> Hi Michael,<BR>> <BR>> How about 160 to 250 cents = one pass ending up at A441? Close enough for<BR>> you? Yes A0 to C8 using = Reyburn Cyber Tuner, but cheating using "deaf<BR>> tuning" from A#4 to = C8.<BR>> <BR>> At 08:43 PM 11/8/2003 -0000, you wrote:<BR>> = >   Hello Kevin E. Ramsey you wrote: "If it matters, I tune from A0 to = C88<BR>> >when doing  pitch raises...."   I  sometimes = have to pitch-rise up a<BR>> >semi-tone - then I do it in one "go" using = my  "Quadrant System" - details<BR>> >of which should be in = October Archives. Regards Michael G (UK) <BR>> <BR>> Regards,<BR>> = Don Rose, B.Mus., A.M.U.S., A.MUS., R.P.T.<BR>> <BR>> </FONT><A href="mailto:pianotuna@accesscomm.ca"><FONT face=Arial size=2>mailto:pianotuna@accesscomm.ca</FONT></A><BR><FONT = face=Arial size=2>> </FONT><A = href="http://us.geocities.com/drpt1948/"><FONT face=Arial = size=2>http://us.geocities.com/drpt1948/</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>> <BR>> 3004 Grant Rd.<BR>> REGINA, = SK<BR>> S4S 5G7<BR>> 306-352-3620 or 1-888-29t-uner<BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> pianotech list = info: </FONT><A href="https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives"><FONT = face=Arial = size=2>https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives</FONT></A><BR><FON= T face=Arial size=2>> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>