<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" link="#0000FF" vlink="#800080" lang="EN-US" style="tab-interval:.5in" stationery_tag_mark> I use Tunelab 97. If you know a bit about piano inharmonicty,  and take care to set up a good curve with TL97 for each piano, you can get as good a tuning as with any of the other models. Keeping ears turned on at the same time makes for a great tuning. RicB Harry Pickett wrote: <blockquote TYPE=CITE><link rel=File-List href="cid:filelist.xml@01C33A3A.0CAB1A40"><o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas:contacts" name="middlename"/><o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="time"/><o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="State"/><o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City"/><o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"/><o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas:contacts" name="Sn"/><o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName"/><o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="date"/><o:SmartTagType namespaceuri="urn:schemas:contacts" name="GivenName"/><style>  </style>  <div class=Section1> <div class="MsoNormal">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></div> Does anyone use Tunelab? I can�t see myself being able to afford a SAT in the near future and would like an aid to the aural tuning I am doing now.<o:p></o:p> Comments O wise ones!<o:p></o:p> Cheers<o:p></o:p> <st1:GivenName>Harry</st1:GivenName><o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> <div class="MsoAutoSig"><st2:PersonName><st1:GivenName>Harry</st1:GivenName><st1:Sn>Pickett</st1:Sn></st2:PersonName><o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p></div> -----Original Message----- From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [<A HREF="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</A>] On Behalf Of <st2:PersonName><st1:GivenName>Richard</st1:GivenName><st1:Sn>Strang</st1:Sn></st2:PersonName> Sent:<st2:date Month="6" Day="23" Year="2003">Monday, June 23, 2003</st2:date><st2:time Hour="20" Minute="1">8:01 PM</st2:time> To: 'Pianotech' Subject: RE: Restringing <o:p></o:p> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">I learned how to make a pretty nice loop using  a pair of vise grips and a screw driver. I make a loop and clamp it with the vise grips, lightly of course, then stick the screw drive through the loop and twist 6 or 7 times. Comes out just fine for some of the clunkers I work on.<o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><st1:GivenName>Richard</st1:GivenName><o:p></o:p></div> <blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> <div class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom: 12.0pt;margin-left:.5in">-----Original Message-----</div> From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [<A HREF="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</A>]On Behalf Of <st2:PersonName><st1:GivenName>Dave</st1:GivenName><st1:Sn>Bunch</st1:Sn></st2:PersonName> Sent:<st2:date Month="6" Day="23" Year="2003">Monday, June 23, 2003</st2:date><st2:time Hour="18" Minute="36">6:36 PM</st2:time> To:<st1:GivenName>Pianotech</st1:GivenName> Subject: Re: Restringing<o:p></o:p> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">As far as loop makers go, I would warn someone new to this to avoid the loop makers with the crank commonly seen in the catalogs. They are good for nothing but breaking wire. With just a little practice, one can make a first rate loop by hand using nothing more than a nail in a vise. This will work fine for the 99% of pianos that have just one or two looped strings.<o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><st2:PersonName><st1:GivenName>Dave</st1:GivenName><st1:Sn>Bunch</st1:Sn></st2:PersonName><o:p></o:p></div> <blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt; margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">----- Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></div> <div style='font-color:black'> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in;background:#E4E4E4">From: <a href="mailto:tune4u@earthlink.net" title="tune4u@earthlink.net">Alan</a><o:p></o:p></div> </div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">To:<a href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" title="pianotech@ptg.org">'Pianotech'</a><o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Sent:<st2:date Month="6" Day="23" Year="2003">Monday, June 23, 2003</st2:date><st2:time Hour="11" Minute="28">11:28 AM</st2:time><o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Subject: RE: Restringing<o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Yes ...<o:p></o:p></div> <o:p></o:p> Not a complete treatise, but a few thoughts.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> First time, it will take you close to three 8-days.<o:p></o:p> An experienced person can do it in about two days.<o:p></o:p> I don't think it's fair for people to pay for my "learning curves," so I would bill the job based on, say, 18 hours.<o:p></o:p> Take the job. Learn and earn.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Critical things to have, purchase, or make-your-own ...<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> <![if !supportLists]>1.<![endif]>A pinblock jack<o:p></o:p> <![if !supportLists]>2.<![endif]>Coil maker<o:p></o:p> <![if !supportLists]>3.<![endif]>2½ lb sledge hammer (for fine tuning and watch repair)<o:p></o:p> <![if !supportLists]>4.<![endif]>Real wire cutters, not pin nippers or light duty electrical "dikes"<o:p></o:p> <![if !supportLists]>5.<![endif]>Heavy gloves or, better yet, glass-handler's gloves<o:p></o:p> <![if !supportLists]>6.<![endif]>Eye protection!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Many jobs call for eye protection: Restringing SCREAMS for it. Wear industrial eye protection, the kind that protects from the sides, too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<o:p></o:p> <![if !supportLists]>7.<![endif]>Band-Aids (Don't make your own.)<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Helpful things to have ...<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> <![if !supportLists]>1.<![endif]>A ½" drive variable speed electric drill with "pin removing bit" (see archives). ¼" drill will not do, doesn't have enough torque, especially at slower speeds and you don't want to spin the pins so fast that you set the piano on fire or, more likely, damage the holes.<o:p></o:p> <![if !supportLists]>2.<![endif]>New set of pin collars (depending). New hitch pin punchings, felts, braid, etc. (depending)<o:p></o:p> <![if !supportLists]>3.<![endif]>Tuning pin crank<o:p></o:p> <![if !supportLists]>4.<![endif]><st2:place>Loop</st2:place> maker<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Look up in the archives or read Reblitz, etc., about measuring strings, marking where string sizes change, etc.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Examine the piano carefully before you start: <o:p></o:p> <![if !supportLists]>1.<![endif]>Make sure the legs are secure and nothing is wobbly. 999/1000 times this is no problem. The 1/1000th time, a disaster can ensue.<o:p></o:p> <![if !supportLists]>2.<![endif]>Pull the lid hinge pins with the lid closed. Unless it is a very small piano, get the owner or someone to help you lift off the lid and put it in a safe place.<o:p></o:p> <![if !supportLists]>3.<![endif]>Examine the pinblock and bridges very carefully. Discuss problems with owner. NOW is the time to make any repairs.<o:p></o:p> <![if !supportLists]>4.<![endif]>Note any problems or anticipated problems. Write them down. Have the owner look at them with you and sign the paper acknowledging the problems. Again 1/1000, but you don't want any arguments later. I would take a torque wrench and measure each pin-or at least a good sampling-as I made the first tension reduction turns of the pin to make sure you spot any "patterns" suggesting block damage or any pin holes that might need a little epoxy, etc. Easier to do it now than to have to remove pins later.<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> Have fun. <o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><st2:PersonName><st1:GivenName>Alan</st1:GivenName><st1:middlename>R.</st1:middlename><st1:Sn>Barnard</st1:Sn></st2:PersonName><o:p></o:p></div> <st2:place><st2:City>Salem</st2:City>, <st2:State>MO</st2:State></st2:place><o:p></o:p> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in">-----Original Message-----</div> From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [<A HREF="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</A>] On Behalf Of <st2:PersonName><st1:GivenName>Richard</st1:GivenName><st1:Sn>Strang</st1:Sn></st2:PersonName> Sent:<st2:date Month="6" Day="23" Year="2003">Monday, June 23, 2003</st2:date><st2:time Hour="10" Minute="14">10:14 AM</st2:time> To:<st1:GivenName>pianotech</st1:GivenName> (E-mail) Subject: Restringing<o:p></o:p> <o:p></o:p> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in">Hello, all,<o:p></o:p></div> <div class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in">    Piano restringing has always been a little out of my line of work, as I do not have a shop. 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