<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1106" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV>Hi Bill,</DIV> <DIV>I don't doubt that with personal instruction, I could have learned = to tune aurally. In fact, if I had utilized the SAT properly, I could have = succeeded also.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The Chapter of the PTG I belonged to, never had a meeting, in all = the years I was a member. Local tuners didn't want to help, and as a matter of = fact, my tunings with the SAT, were better than some of theirs. (Customers = opinion)</DIV> <DIV>I just didn't have enough incentive to learn, properly, as I was = making a good living. </DIV> <DIV> With an active chapter, it might have been different. It = might also have made a difference, if a local tuner had been able to do a better = job, than me, and take all my customers, by being better than me. Then I would = have had to learn to be better than him. But that didn't happen. I couldn't, even, = except for one time, get any of them to go to a convention with me. They = thought that they wouldn't learn enough to warrant the expense.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I feel that this list and the availability of the conventions, has = been what allowed me to stay ahead of the others. So big kudos for the PTG = and the Pianotech list.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Bill, I think tragic, is too strong of a word. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>My customers have not suffered because, I couldn't pass the aural = part of the exam.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Regards</DIV> <DIV>John M. Ross<BR>Windsor, Nova Scotia.<BR><A href="mailto:jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca">jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca</A></DIV>= <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=SidewaysWell1713@aol.com href="mailto:SidewaysWell1713@aol.com">SidewaysWell1713@aol.com</A> = </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, September 22, = 2002 6:08 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Testing = Statistics.. was Important Question</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT size=2>In a = message dated 9/22/02 1:50:32 PM Central Daylight Time, <A href="mailto:jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca">jrpiano@win.eastlink.ca</A> = writes: <BR><BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" TYPE="CITE">I am one who did it the wrong way. I started with the = ETD too early, <BR>and never was able to pass the aural part of the exam. = <BR>I turn 65 this year, and have been tuning since 1975. I have made a = <BR>good living at it, and had no complaints from my customers. I have an = <BR>ongoing contract with a University. I know I will never have the = <BR>incentive to try the aural exam again. <BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 face=Arial = color=#000000 size=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 = face=Arial color=#000000 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR>While I recognize = the level achieved with the ETD has been satisfactory, I feel this is tragic, to = not be able nor even to desire to learn to tune aurally.  I know that if = I could spend time with you, I could teach you to tune those 23 notes within a = tolerance which would pass the Exam.  It is merely a matter of = perception and control of beats. <BR><BR>What is even more tragic, is that you = would not want me to teach you.  Recently you mentioned trying an HT but = didn't know one from the other.  While it has been well established that = the use of correction figures will produce acceptable results, the non = understanding of what is being done would never be acceptable to me.  There is = too much possibility of error in programming for this kind of method to be = reliable without the aural skills to know whether or not a big mistake has been = made and how to correct it. <BR><BR>Bill Bremmer RPT <BR>Madison, Wisconsin = <BR><A href="http://www.billbremmer.com/">Click here: -=w w w . b i l l b = r e m m e r . c o m =-</A> </FONT><FONT lang=0 face=Arial color=#0f0f0f = size=2 = FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></FONT></BODY></HTML= >