<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" = http-equiv=Content-Type> <META content="MSHTML 5.00.2614.3500" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi David,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I think that if you would measure the = octave above each pair after you have tuned each string with the SATlll or any other ETD,</FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>you will find that there is as = much as 20c difference in the pair on another partial that is causing the racket.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This makes the piano untuneable IMHO = and replacing the set is the only way to go.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Re scale too.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have a G1 that will be going through = restringing in  Dec for this very problem.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>One thing that I will try just before = taking the strings off is to let the string down a fifth to an octave and use the = notes hammer to try to move the winding by pounding the note 10 to 20 times = very vigorously.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This works on dead strings to bring = some life back into the string so I am going to give it a go.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Joe Goss</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: = 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A href="mailto:streit_david@hotmail.com" = title=streit_david@hotmail.com>David Streit</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org" title=pianotech@ptg.org>Posting to Pianotech</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, November 10, 2000 = 11:14 AM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Yamaha tuning = problem</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I ran into a problem that I = don't remember hearing.  It's got me stumped. I'll include some details in hope = I can get a good answer.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT face=Arial size=2>I tuned = two Yamahas for a customer in her teaching studio.  </FONT>One piano was a Model = U-11 Ser # T 121496 and the other a G3 Ser # 1098046.  The grand had two = pedals and a data plate on the inside of the case so I am assuming it was mfg. in = Japan.  I did not attempt to tune them together as I know the = scale is different and the client wasn't interested.  Both pianos had the = same problem.  </FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Neither piano had been tuned in two = years and the client tried to convince me that it was a "new thing" that piano = manufacturers had "just" started recommending a piano be tuned every six = months.  Amazingly the lady was blessed/cursed with an uncanny ear that could = pick out every false beat and nuance.  She called my attention to the low = bass in each piano. Neither piano sounded right.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I did all the checks and all beats = were correct. The octaves just didn't sound right on the on the first 6 or 7 = notes.  I figured I would just tune them as clean octaves, but I could not get = the lower notes in line. The partials were beating so fast either way, the notes = sounded horrid with the rest of the piano.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Is there a possibility the scaling is = off?  Tapping down the strings doesn't help, twisting either.  There is = a bit of rust on the grand, but the other is clean.  I'm kind of at my = wits end.  Am I missing anything? </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Mark Wisner, you told me you read all = the Yamaha stuff on Pianotech, would you care to comment?</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks, </FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dave Streit</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Portland, OR</FONT> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>