<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; = charset=us-ascii"> <meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 10 (filtered)"> <style>  </style> </head> <body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=blue> <div class=Section1> Kevin, I agree completely.  = Since my last email was the one quoted, I’m assuming you were responding to = me.  I was simply making a joke to the previous email.  Dave said “How = many can tune without an electronic device”, and I was sarcastically flipping = the question around to mean it’s opposite.  Sorry for the = confusion.  I listen to intervals constantly to make sure my machine is a tool, and = not a tuner.  I’m a firm believer in tuners learning the fundamentals of tuning = before relying on an ETD.   Jonathan Finger = RPT   -----Original = Message----- From: = pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Kevin E. Ramsey Sent: Monday, March 31, = 2003 7:41 PM To: Pianotech Subject: Re: Relevant OT = (?) was - Computer clock   <div> Jonathan, Dave, et = al,,,,,,,,  I would like to think that having an ETD "go down" would not = inhibit any piano technician from continuing in his work. It might be a little = more like "work", but if you really can't do it without the = machine, then you need a little more education in the tuning art. </div> <div>     Even if = I'm using my Accutuner, I'm still listening to intervals as I go. I know I see a = lot of people who aren't doing that. I think it was David Love, wasn't it, who = said that all his fourths beat about the same?  I've been checking this, = and yes, you can get a very lovely result with this amount of stretch. Even = if you use a machine, one of the last things I do before leaving the piano is = to check the seventeenths for smooth progression, any notes that have "slipped" will stick out like a sore thumb.  = </div> <div>   </div> <div>     And of = course, the RPT exam is only a minimum of what is expected of someone who wished = to attain that level in our field, there's a lot more work to do later, if = your desire is to improve. </div> <div>   </div> <div> Just my 2 cents, = </div> <div> Kevin. </div> <div>   </div> <div>   </div> <div>   </div> <div>   </div> <div>   </div> <blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid black = 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt; margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'= > Dave, that's a good question. I had heard that aural tuning was getting worse and worse...Are = aural tuners finally bad enough that we need to ask that question?  = *nudge nudge, wink wink* Jonathan Finger RPT -----Original Message----- From: <a = href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</a> [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Dave Davis Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 10:50 PM To: Kevin E. Ramsey; Pianotech Subject: Relevant OT (?) was - Computer clock Kevin, You forgot the ever present "how many can tune without the Electronic Tuning Device" Still learning that one, Dave Davis Renton, WA --- "Kevin E. Ramsey" <<a = href="mailto:kevin.e.ramsey@cox.net">kevin.e.ramsey@cox.net</a>> wrote: >     what happens when the GPS system goes = down?  How many pilot/navigators can actually plot a course with a sextant?  Or how many people can do advanced math without calculators??? >     Scary, when you think about it..... > Kevin E. Ramsey, RPT  </blockquote> </div> </body> </html>