<html><body> <DIV>Phil,</DIV> <DIV>Is your temperment only useful for certain pianos, or can one try it on a spinit, or console etc?  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you have time and wish to e-mail me privately, you can send your temperment.  Don't worry, I won' t publish it.  I'm always curious about how different temperments work.  By the way, what is a 12th chord?  I use 17ths and third tenth test for octaves, but how d oyou describe a 12th?  would that be for example, f3 and Bb4? since f3 and a4 are a tenth?</DIV> <DIV>Marshall</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- From: Phil Bondi <phil@philbondi.com> > > > Alan Barnard wrote: > > > > > I did some experimenting and found that it is one of those pianos that > > could really benefit from a good aural tuning, > > Alan, I'm gonna switch gears here for a moment because of your thought > about putting an aural tuning on this piano.. > > This is the type of piano that would benefit from a temperament I have > been using for awhile, but have not published because of my lack of time > in conversing with respected techs regarding a possibility in similarity: > > Alan, I don't know where your temperament octave is, but including the > troublesome tenor break in the temperament is what my temperament is all > about - helping smooth out this area while including it in the overall > mix - not just fixing it as you go. > > My temperament is a "2-octave" temperament from B2 to C5. It is based > off of the F3-F4 Temperament that is universally accepted in our > community, but I added the other notes to include the tenor break and to > include a built-in stretch in the temperament. > > I call my temperament The 2-Octave Temperament, and its intent is to use > the P12 throughout the setting of its bearing. My F3-F4 temperament was > based on 4ths and 5ths and test with 3rds-6ths. My modification still > includes these steps, but when adding the notes outside of F3-F4, you're > listening for a pure 12th when setting that note. > > I have found this modification to the F3-F4 does alot of good for these > types of scales - and also, the better the scale, the sweeter the > results. The end result of setting this type of temperament, I will > admit, is literally pulling hairs..but I hear the results as sweet, > smooth, and an evenness in its stretch since you're building in the > stretch when setting the temperament. > > As soon as I have time to converse with people like Jim Coleman Sr.and > Al Sanderson, I won't know if their already published temperaments are > similar to mine and it's not worth publishing - but until then, I will > thank Dr.Bill Ballard and Rick Brekne for the continued support and > understanding in what I am attempting to achieve...a P12 aural > temperament including the Tenor Break in the mix of setting the temperament. > > My apologies for getting off course here, but Alan's comment gave me an > opportunity to talk about what I have using to help these types of > scales sound better. > > -Phil Bondi(Fl) > > > _______________________________________________ > Pianotech list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives </BLOCKQUOTE></body></html>