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<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=3><SPAN =
class=850002106-30082004>Concerning
clients who bought defective pianos</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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class=850002106-30082004>You wrote,
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<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=3><SPAN
class=850002106-30082004> "<FONT face=Arial>Both =
were bought
from dealers who sent them there to Juarez."</FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3><SPAN class=850002106-30082004>Red Flag. It =
is the
dealers that who are liable. They sold defective =
merchandise. If
they knew it, it is fraud. If the work was a
disaster as you state how could the dealers not know, which =
gets close
to sales fraud. Whatever, they are responsible for what =
they
sell. They (dealers) can sue who did the work, but it may be =
too late
after they sold them. (this does not excuse shoddy work but if =
dealers take
it in and then sell it that is almost getting worse) Were =
these
dealers in Calif? Calif has very strict and specific laws about
this. How long ago? Less than 30 days ago? =
If
so, they (the buyers) may have rights no other states
offer.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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Before you
start work on the piano you might want to advise your clients they =
may have
legal rights and should consult a lawyer. You might want
to consult a lawyer before you start =
work. Whatever, take
plenty of pictures. The dealer should have had a tech check out =
the
pianos. So should the buyer. Your clients should have a =
lawyer check
out their case. By not knowing to advise them, you become much =
like the
dealer who "didn't know."</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3><SPAN class=850002106-30082004>Professional ethics =
is another
matter. It is better not to insinuate that a =
business in
your profession does shoddy work until you sit down and have coffee =
with
them first. And it looks like someone got an invitation to =
lunch
already. :) Stuff has been said here (Does the list really =
need to
know?) and the sad part is from piano tuners who aren't even sure what =
they are
talking about; that if directed towards me, I would demand a retraction =
to my
satisfaction. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3><SPAN class=850002106-30082004></SPAN></FONT><FONT =
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class=850002106-30082004> Defamation
is still a crime and when you write it and then =
publish it, it
becomes libel. And the publisher can be held liable which in this case =
is
PTG. Does PTG have a written policy or bylaw that says "defamatory =
posts
are not permitted, and are the sole responsibility of the =
poster?" If
not do I want to be part of such a list? Do I want to be =
part of a
list where "esteemed colleagues" get derogatory on, well ........on =
un
esteemed colleagues? So you see how deep it can get just because =
of a
thoughtless rant(s)... er excuse me, =
tocsin. </SPAN></FONT><FONT
size=3><SPAN class=850002106-30082004> </SPAN></FONT><FONT =
size=3><SPAN
class=850002106-30082004><FONT size=2> </FONT><FONT =
size=3>And why do we
have to go through it?<BR></FONT></DIV></SPAN></FONT>
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<DIV><FONT size=3><SPAN class=850002106-30082004>Richard Moody
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original =
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <B>On =
Behalf Of
</B>Erwinspiano@aol.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 26, 2004 1:03
AM<BR><B>To:</B> pianotech@ptg.org; caut@ptg.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: =
Jaurez
Cosmetic piano restoration<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
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face=arial size=2> </FONT><FONT face=arial> To =
All my
esteemed colleagues</FONT><FONT face=arial size=2><BR></FONT><FONT =
face=arial> Probably all of you are aware of a =
rebuilding
outfit across the border in Juarez, Mexico.</FONT><FONT face=arial
size=2><BR></FONT><FONT face=arial> I've seen two recently =
"rebuilt"
Stwys that were a disaster with one exception.</FONT></DIV>
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solid"><BR><BR>Dale,<BR><BR>
Hi. I'm the owner of the U.S. brokerage known as SAMA. I took over =
ownership
this spring, and before that have worked as a consultant for the =
company.
This company operates a plant in Juarez, across the border from El
Paso.<BR><BR> First off, I'd like to ask you where the
connection is between these two pianos and the =
"outfit".</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV> <FONT size=3>>>> Booth clients confirmed these =
pianos had
been rebuilt in Juarez. <BR><SPAN =
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size=2> Second,
I'll point out that SAMA does not sell pianos.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3>>> I didn't say they did. Both were bought =
from
dealers who sent them there to Juarez.</FONT></DIV>
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