<HTML><HEAD></HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> Hee, hee...let's all give Richard some of what he= gave us in our confusion...;-]   ----- Original= message ----------------------------------------> From:= <<A= href="mailto:Piannaman@aol.com">Piannaman@aol.com</A>> To:= <<A= href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A>> Rec= eived: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 23:33:22 EST Subject: Re: Cents: was= help with bad tuning...Ric B. Eastern Scale? In a message= dated 12/15/04 12:15:16 AM Pacific Standard Time,= Richard.Brekne@grieg.uib.no writes: <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;= BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"= TYPE="CITE">there are 12 (not 13) half steps to an octave. A= whole step is a whole tone of which there are 8 in an octave.= </BLOCKQUOTE> Uhhh....Rick....I think there is something= wrong with this one heah....Eight whole tones in an octave????=  Wouldn't that equal 16 semi-tones?  What far-eastern= scale are you tuning?  INquiring minds want to know...= Sorry, couldn't resist <G> There are six= whole steps in an octave, not eight, but they are seldom= consulted when tuning a piano and have nothing to do with a= major or minor scale or mode.  The whole tone scale is= reserved for 20th century composers, jazzers, and dream= sequences in cheap movies.   I think you're trying= to point out that there are eight intervals in a diatonic scale,= which can be configured in any mode you like, from Ionian, to= Locrian (goes from B to B and is musically virtually worthless).= In an octave, there is a chromatic scale, which is what= we are dealing with most frequently as tuners.  Then there= is the major scale, which (in C major) consists of whole= step/whole step/ half step / whole steps three times / half= step.  A mixed bag of major and minor seconds, whole tones= and half tones.   Ric, if you're a Tuna, you've= been scaled <BIG G>, Dave Stahl <FONT= lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial= color=#000000 size=3 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10"= BACK="#ffffff"> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;= BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"= TYPE="CITE">There is only 1200 cents in an octave, not 1300...= Don.. you suprise me ! :)</BLOCKQUOTE> </BODY></HTML>