<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:v = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word"><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content=Word.Document name=ProgId> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=GENERATOR> <META content="Microsoft Word 9" name=Originator><LINK href="cid:filelist.xml@01C4CBF5.4CF2C0A0" rel=File-List> <STYLE>@font-face { font-family: Bradley Hand ITC; } @font-face { font-family: Tahoma; } @page Section1 {size: 8.5in 11.0in; margin: 1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; = mso-header-margin: .5in; mso-footer-margin: .5in; mso-paper-source: 0; } P.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; = mso-style-parent: ""; mso-pagination: widow-orphan; = mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman" } LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; = mso-style-parent: ""; mso-pagination: widow-orphan; = mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman" } DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; = mso-style-parent: ""; mso-pagination: widow-orphan; = mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman" } A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; text-underline: single } SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; text-underline: single } A:visited { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; text-underline: single } SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; text-underline: single } P.MsoAutoSig { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; = mso-pagination: widow-orphan; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman" } LI.MsoAutoSig { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; = mso-pagination: widow-orphan; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman" } DIV.MsoAutoSig { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; = mso-pagination: widow-orphan; mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman" } SPAN.EmailStyle17 { COLOR: navy; mso-style-type: personal-reply; mso-ansi-font-size: = 10.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; = mso-bidi-font-family: Arial } DIV.Section1 { page: Section1 } </STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY lang=EN-US style="tab-interval: .5in" vLink=blue link=blue = bgColor=white> <DIV>Many ways to skin a kitty, of course. = My personal preference when a pin is that loose is to use a sandpaper shim. Very = predictable 100% of the time.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Terry Farrell</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black">From: <A title=deanmay@pianorebuilders.com href="mailto:deanmay@pianorebuilders.com">Dean May</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">To: <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Sent: Tuesday, November 16, = 2004 4:12 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">Subject: RE: CA in a = hurry</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV class=Section1> I’m with Carl. Don’t take the pins out. = <o:p></o:p> <![if = !supportEmptyParas]><![endif]> <o:p></o:p> Use a hypo oiler and apply about as much as you would apply pin tightener, = i.e., squeeze it for about a half second until the glue looks like it will = puddle. Let it soak in a little and re-apply. = <o:p></o:p> <![if = !supportEmptyParas]><![endif]> <o:p></o:p> I would give it 10-30 minutes, depending on how loose they were. If that = still won’t hold, then take the pin out and let it run all the way down = into the hole. Reinsert pin right away and bring it up. It probably won’t = hold right away. Try again in 10-30 minutes or so. I’ve seen holding power = increase after a few days, even. Unless there is moisture present, it can take awhile = for the CA glue to fully set. My opinion is the slower the better. You are = swelling wood and setting it. That is what is holding the pin, not an adhesive = bond. <o:p></o:p> <![if = !supportEmptyParas]><![endif]> <o:p></o:p> Make sure you pull the action or take appropriate steps to protect things = should any glue run through.<o:p></o:p> <![if = !supportEmptyParas]><![endif]> <o:p></o:p> Dean<o:p></o:p> Dean May      =        cell 812.239.3359<o:p></o:p> PianoRebuilders.com   = 812.235.5272<o:p></o:p> Terre Haute IN  47802<o:p></o:p> <= SPAN class=EmailStyle17><![if = !supportEmptyParas]><![endif]> <o:p></o:p> -----Original Message----- From: pianotech-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org]On Behalf Of Carl = Meyer Sent: Tuesday, November 16, = 2004 2:55 PM To: = Pianotech Subject: Re: CA in a hurry <![if = !supportEmptyParas]><![endif]> <o:p></o:p> Don't take the pins out, just hold it in tune and apply ca.  Hold for = just a few seconds and re do if necessary.<o:p></o:p>  <o:p></o:p> Carl Meyer Ptg assoc Santa Clara, Ca.<o:p></o:p> <DIV style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: = medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; BORDER-LEFT: black = 1.5pt solid; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none"> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: = medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: = 39.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: = medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; = mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in = 4.0pt">----- = Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: = medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; PADDING-BOTTOM: = 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 39.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; = BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; = mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; = mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"> <DIV style="font-color: black">From: <A title=piano57@flash.net href="mailto:piano57@flash.net">Barbara = Richmond</A> </DIV><o:p></o:p> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: = medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: = 39.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: = medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; = mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in = 4.0pt">To: <A title=pianotech@ptg.org = href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</A> <o:p></o:p> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: = medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: = 39.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: = medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; = mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in = 4.0pt">Sent: Tuesday, = November 16, 2004 11:42 AM<o:p></o:p> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: = medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: = 39.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: = medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; = mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in = 4.0pt">Subject: CA in a hurry<o:p></o:p> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: = medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: = 39.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: = medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; = mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in = 4.0pt"><![if = !supportEmptyParas]><![endif]> <o:p></o:p> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: = medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: = 39.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: = medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; = mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in = 4.0pt">Sent this = earlier, but it seems to have disappeared.  Sorry if it shows up again.<o:p></o:p> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: = medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: = 39.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: = medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; = mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in = 4.0pt"> <o:p></o:p> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: = medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: = 39.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: = medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; = mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in = 4.0pt">----- = Original Message ----- <DIV style="font-color: black"><o:p></o:p> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: = medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; PADDING-BOTTOM: = 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: 39.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; = BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; = mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; = mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in 4.0pt">From: <A title=piano57@flash.net href="mailto:piano57@flash.net">Barbara = Richmond</A> <o:p></o:p></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: = medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: = 39.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: = medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; = mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in = 4.0pt">To: <A title=pianotech@ptg.org = href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">Pianotech</A> <o:p></o:p> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: = medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: = 39.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: = medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; = mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in = 4.0pt">Sent: Tuesday, = November 16, 2004 10:35 AM<o:p></o:p> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: = medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: = 39.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: = medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; = mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in = 4.0pt">Subject: CA in a hurry<o:p></o:p> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: = medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: = 39.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: = medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; = mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in = 4.0pt"><![if = !supportEmptyParas]><![endif]> <o:p></o:p> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: = medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: = 39.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: = medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; = mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in = 4.0pt">Howdy,<o:p></o:p> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: = medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: = 39.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: = medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; = mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in = 4.0pt"> <o:p></o:p> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: = medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: = 39.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: = medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; = mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in = 4.0pt">Ed Foote, = I believe you wrote about taking pins out and then CAing a pinblock to get the = block to increase swelling (if I understand that = correctly).<o:p></o:p> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: = medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: = 39.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: = medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; = mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in = 4.0pt"> <o:p></o:p> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: = medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: = 39.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: = medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; = mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in = 4.0pt">I'm in a = tight spot here at the Big, Dead Hall.  The B in residence (which has been = on the don't use list because it is in that kind of shape) is going to be = used on Saturday.  Gee, if only I had known *last* week.  The pins = are generally loose, with a few "let go of your tuning hammer at watch it = fly" types.  Yes, it's a Steinway. Yes, it's in miserable shape and I = have no qualms about doing whatever I need to do to get it hold the tune = better than it does now.<o:p></o:p> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: = medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: = 39.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: = medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; = mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in = 4.0pt"> <o:p></o:p> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: = medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: = 39.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: = medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; = mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in = 4.0pt">So, I was = wondering if I removed those few spinning pins and carefully applied the CA, = would I get more holding power?  How long should I wait before re-inserting = the pins?<o:p></o:p> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: = medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: = 39.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: = medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; = mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in = 4.0pt"> <o:p></o:p> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: = medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: = 39.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: = medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; = mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in = 4.0pt">Thanks = gobs.  Man, what a wild week.<o:p></o:p> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: = medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: = 39.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: = medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; = mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in = 4.0pt"> <o:p></o:p> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: = medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: = 39.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: = medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; = mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in = 4.0pt"> <o:p></o:p> <P class=MsoNormal style="BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: = medium none; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-LEFT: = 39.75pt; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in; BORDER-BOTTOM: = medium none; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; = mso-border-left-alt: solid black 1.5pt; mso-padding-alt: 0in 0in 0in = 4.0pt">Barbara = Richmond, RPT<o:p></o:p></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY>= </HTML>