<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=content-type content=text/html;charset=US-ASCII> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2716.2200" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV>Hi Dale -</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Thanks for the post.  Sorry to hear of your problems with finishers!  One has to wonder - does the fact that the contract has = YOUR name on it, and not the finisher's, have any bearing on his/her level = of attention to detail?  Food for thought.  But, of course, the same= lack of attention to detail can be seen in other areas of piano work, too. = Some people's version of 'detail' is pretty broad, I guess :-)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And I couldn't agree with you more when you say that we can all learn = from the methods of others.  The variation in approach is astounding.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Here's to better rubbing...</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Mark Potter</DIV> <DIV><A href="mailto:bases-loaded@juno.com">bases-loaded@juno.com</A></= DIV> <DIV>  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 21:12:25 EDT <A href="mailto:Erwinspiano@AOL.COM">Erwinspiano@AOL.COM</A> writes:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-LEFT: 10px; MARGIN-LEFT: 10px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px = solid"> <DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=0 face=Verdana color=#= 000040 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">In a message dated 6/19/2002 4:29:17 PM Pacific = Standard Time, bases-loaded@juno.com writes:<BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000000 size=2= FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" TYPE="CITE">Subj:<B>Re: Black Finish </B><BR>Date:6/19/2002 4:29:17 PM= Pacific Standard Time<BR>From:<A href="mailto:bases-loaded@juno.com">bases-loaded@juno.com</A></FONT><= FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#= 000040 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR>Reply-to:<A href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A></FONT><FONT = lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000040 size= =2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR>To:<A href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A></FONT><FONT = lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000040 size= =2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR>Sent from the Internet <BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR= >On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 08:41:22 -0400 Jon Page <<A href="mailto:jonpage@attbi.com">jonpage@attbi.com</A></FONT><FONT = lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000040 size= =2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">> writes:<BR><BR>> It is by using these = procedures that superior finishes are attained.  <BR>> You can not = dissuade me.<BR>> <BR>> I can look at a finish from a multitude of 'professional' piano <BR>> refinishers and point out the lack of<BR>= > attention to detail. It's not that they don't try, it's just that <BR>&= gt; they don't know the best way and don't<BR>> want to learn because = they already know it all.<BR>> <BR>Jon -<BR>  Mark writes<BR>Jeez, I= think mountains are being made out of molehills, here.  If there = is one obvious conclusion from following <B>this</B> list and a refinishers = forum over the years, it is that there are a multitude of ways to 'skin the = cat', almost ANY cat.  And many 'professional' results are had by many differing methods.  It never ceases to amaze me.  There are = so many variables.... shop size, work load, material being used, personal= preferences, the list goes on.  And yes, I agree that all = refinishing work done does not qualify as 'expert', but I would also contend that = there are more than a few that do excellent work, using methods of work that = would differ from mine or yours.  </FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000040 size= =2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Verdana color=#000040 size= =2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><I>   </I>  Hi Mark</FONT><FONT = lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000040 size=2= FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR:= #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000040 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" TYPE="CITE">>>>>>>>>I agree with your points here<BR>      IMO, only an entry level of = common sense is required to ensure adequate finish material is being provided = for all edges.  It is a craft, yes, but it is not rocket science. </FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial= color=#000040 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>>>>>>>Yes a craft= and some science and, frankly enough brain cells focused on observations and= techniques to ensure uniformity of results but JEEZ Ya know I've employed= three finishers in the last 5 years and ALL of them ,and some quite = talented, took more time than I thought appropriate to remeber to get enough = material on the edges (especially the long hinged edges)and also to not rub through = them as well. Very frustrating<BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Verdana color=#000040 size= =2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">  </FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000040 size=2= FAMILY="SANSSERIF">        &= nbsp;  And not rubbing through edges is during rub out is certainly at least as = much the </FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face== Arial color=#000040 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000040 size=2= FAMILY="SANSSERIF"> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" TYPE="CITE">responsibility of the 'rubbee' as it is dependent on the = amount of material applied, although it is painfully obvious that there must = be adequate material there to begin with. </FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000040 size= =2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Verdana color=#000040 size= =2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">  >>>>>> I've seen all of = these guys rub through edges that were well loaded ugghh.<BR>   </FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000040 size=2= FAMILY="SANSSERIF"> Perhaps the biggest mistake with edges, in fact, = lies in neglecting to slightly </FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #= ffffff" face=Arial color=#000040 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR></FONT><= FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000040 size=2= FAMILY="SANSSERIF"> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" TYPE="CITE">round any sharp edges.  As you are well aware, very = little material, using <B>any</B> method, cannot be built up on a sharp edge.= </FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial= color=#000040 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR></= FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Verdana color=#= 000040 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF">>>>>Dittos Mark</FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000040 size=2= FAMILY="SANSSERIF"> </FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #= ffffff" face=Arial color=#000040 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR></FONT><= FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000040 size=2= FAMILY="SANSSERIF"> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" TYPE="CITE"><BR><BR>A good system for doing ANY job is a plus.  = But to imply that there is only ONE system that works, well....<BR><BR>You = cannot dissuade me.</FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = face=Arial color=#000040 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR></= FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Verdana color=#= 000040 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><I>>>>>But Mark it is always a = possibility that another process is more refined and effiecent than my own(or others)<BR>&= nbsp; >>Dale Erwin>>>>>>>.</FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000040 size=2= FAMILY="SANSSERIF"></I><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#000040 size=2= FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" TYPE="CITE"><BR>Mark Potter<BR><A href="mailto:bases-loaded@juno.com">bases-loaded@juno.com</A></FONT><= FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Arial color=#= 000040 size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT lang=0 style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" face=Verdana color=#000040 size= =2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF"><I><BR></I></FONT></FONT> <DIV> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>