<html> <body> Joe, Have you used a verituner?  I've disagreed with it before and tried re-tuning aurally only to discover that it had made the best compromise available from the beast in front of me.  It works with the partials of each note it tunes as opposed to using only the partials of three sampled notes from the piano.  You can choose the degree of stretch you want to use.  The tolerances in the portion you can use your ETD on are quite generous.  The aural section is tight, but you can't use your ETD there anyway and that is the mental muscle you have to develop.  The Verituners measured tuning and detune functions are quite useful to practice doing temperaments with. While I'm no CTE, I have checked it out at my leisure and have been quite satisfied with what it does. Andrew At 11:44 PM 9/12/2005, you wrote: <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">So I just checked with Michael Kimbell, our San Francisco CTE and tunin= g examiner and he concurred with my statement.   David , Then Michael is on Drugs, IMO. The simple fact remains, that the Test Instrument is tuned Aurally, by at least Three tuners, one of which must be a CTE. Since the piano is tuned Aurally, there is no way in hell, the SAT will reproduce this! I'm sure if you check with Paul Brown, he'll tell you that exams, of record, do not bear out this B.S.! As for the claims of Reyburn and Verituner...That smatters of the "Diaphramatic Soundboard" B.S. that we so blatantly poo poo, on this list almost every day. Sales Hype, IMO. Joe Garrett, R.P.T. Captain, Tool Police Squares R I</blockquote></body> </html>