<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:v = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word"><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content=Word.Document name=ProgId> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=GENERATOR> <META content="Microsoft Word 10" name=Originator><LINK href="cid:filelist.xml@01C4A7BA.17725120" rel=File-List> <STYLE>@page Section1 {size: 8.5in 11.0in; margin: 1.0in 1.25in 1.0in = 1.25in; mso-header-margin: .5in; mso-footer-margin: .5in; = mso-paper-source: 0; } P.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; = mso-style-parent: ""; mso-pagination: widow-orphan; = mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman" } LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; = mso-style-parent: ""; mso-pagination: widow-orphan; = mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman" } DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman"; = mso-style-parent: ""; mso-pagination: widow-orphan; = mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman" } A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; text-underline: single } SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; text-underline: single } A:visited { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; text-underline: single } SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: purple; TEXT-DECORATION: underline; text-underline: single } P { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; FONT-FAMILY: = "Times New Roman"; mso-pagination: widow-orphan; = mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"; mso-margin-top-alt: auto; = mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto } SPAN.EmailStyle17 { COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-style-type: personal-reply; = mso-style-noshow: yes; mso-ansi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-bidi-font-size: = 10.0pt; mso-ascii-font-family: Arial; mso-hansi-font-family: Arial; = mso-bidi-font-family: Arial } SPAN.SpellE { mso-style-name: ""; mso-spl-e: yes } SPAN.GramE { mso-style-name: ""; mso-gram-e: yes } DIV.Section1 { page: Section1 } </STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY lang=EN-US style="tab-interval: .5in" vLink=purple = link=blue bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>David wrote:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial; mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">If you don’t believe that soundboards contribute to how a hammer will = sound on the piano, well, what can I <SPAN class=GramE>say.</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </SPAN></SPAN></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>the hammer amplifies (transduces, thanks Ric) and filters what = is coming from hammer/string interaction. So the sound is different on = different soundboards. But the hammer does not interact with the = soundboard itself  (except for the highest treble, where the hammer may be in = contact with the string up to 4 string oscillations. But this is a very short = time step there). </DIV> <DIV><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial; mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial; mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"></SPAN></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial; mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"></SPAN>Then you should be able to get the = same tone on every piano no matter what the condition of the soundboard as long as = you use the same hammer and the piano has the same scale tension, <SPAN class=GramE>non</SPAN>? <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: = yes">  </SPAN>My answer would be no.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">  = </SPAN></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Same comment as last.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>regards,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bernhard</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=davidlovepianos@comcast.net href="mailto:davidlovepianos@comcast.net">David Love</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">'Pianotech'</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October 01, 2004 = 9:25 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: hammers and soundboards</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV class=Section1> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=GramE><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><FONT face=Arial color=navy = size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial; mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">Comments below.</SPAN></FONT></B></SPAN><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: = normal"><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial; mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">  = </SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <DIV> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; mso-no-proof: yes">David = Love<BR><A = href="mailto:davidlovepianos@comcast.net">davidlovepianos@comcast.net</= A> </SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; = mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: = 12pt"><BR>I do not agree with you...<BR>I had my first factory training at Bösendorfer in = Wien, and the emphasis on my training there was voicing.<BR>Their hammers are not = "very hard", they are kind of medium hard, <SPAN class=GramE>just</SPAN> = like <I><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">most</SPAN></I> Renner = hammers.<BR style="mso-special-character: line-break"><![if = !supportLineBreakNewLine]><BR style="mso-special-character: line-break"><![endif]><FONT = color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><FONT face=Arial color=navy = size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial; mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">By my standards, and the hammers I deal with on a regular basis, they are = quite hard.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face=Arial = color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; = mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><SPAN class=SpellE><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=navy = size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: = navy">B</SPAN></FONT>ösendorfer</SPAN> uses Renner hammers and have done so for a very long time. According to me, = they have never bought Ronsen hammers nor <SPAN class=GramE>Bacon = felt</SPAN> hammers.<FONT color=navy><SPAN style="COLOR: navy"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face=Arial = color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><FONT face=Arial color=navy = size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial; mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">Were you actually thinking that I said that?</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT = face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </SPAN><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I think we have a = communication problem.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><FONT face=Arial color=navy = size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial; mso-bidi-font-weight: = normal"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><FONT face=Arial color=navy = size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial; mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">If you don’t believe that soundboards contribute to how a hammer will = sound on the piano, well, what can I <SPAN class=GramE>say.</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </SPAN>Then you should be able to = get the same tone on every piano no matter what the condition of the = soundboard as long as you use the same hammer and the piano has the same scale = tension, <SPAN class=GramE>non</SPAN>? <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </SPAN>My answer would be = no.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: = yes"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><FONT face=Arial color=navy = size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial; mso-bidi-font-weight: = normal"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><FONT face=Arial color=navy = size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: = Arial; mso-bidi-font-weight: normal">A good quality hammer is important, I will grant you that, but they are = not imbued with magical powers. <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </SPAN>Why do I sense I will = get some disagreement on that point?<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">  = </SPAN>Just a feeling, I guess.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">  = </SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: = yes">  </SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></B></P></DIV></BLOCKQUO= TE></BODY></HTML>