<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; = charset=iso-8859-1"> <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2600.0" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY id=role_body style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; = FONT-FAMILY: Arial" bottomMargin=7 bgColor=#ffffff leftMargin=7 topMargin=7 = rightMargin=7> <DIV>Dale,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I suppose this depends on the definition of the word = "correct".</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Actually, I was making a statement regarding the fact that the = Sanderson <U>Break % formula</U> calculates out at about 4% higher = than whatever formula that Del uses. Del stated that the Sanderson <U>Break % = formula</U> was incorrect. I honestly don't know which is "correct" for typical modern = wire but am willing to accept Del's postiion that most current = wire has a higher tensile strength. So, I don't get all in a bunch if the Sanderson Break% formula tells me I have a note at = 68% Break Point because by Del's calculation it would be at about 64% of = Break Point.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There does not appear to any differences of opinion regarding = Tension calculations. They calculate essentially the same.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Tremaine</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=Erwinspiano@aol.com href="mailto:Erwinspiano@aol.com">Erwinspiano@aol.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">pianotech@ptg.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, July 03, 2005 = 3:41 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Arledge Bass = strings</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT id=role_document face=Arial color=#000000 = size=2> <DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>  Tremaine</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>   Nice to hear form you. Well ,I guess = <EM><U>if I like</U></EM> the sound of the old L strings I could simply measure = I.D. & O D. , have them rerpoduced & just forgo the scaling = altogether except I'm interested in accurate measurments & even tensions.. So = how does one know if the tension programs one is using is actually the ( = correct) one?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>  Ari Isaac was the one I had the experience = with the L strings many loong years ago. His scaling for my taste was always = (almost way to heavy & irratic. In fairness he' probalby learned a few things = since then as we all have but I never hear from any one on this list = that uses them. I do know one can scale a stwy B set to heavy & kill the = sustain & natural beauty of a stwy Bass end.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>   AmHIK.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>   Dale</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px = solid"><FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=Arial color=#000000 = size=2> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The Sanderson (Pscale) Break Percent formula calculates = the top 10 bichords of an original Steinway L scale to be in the 55% to = 67% of Break Point range. In fact, from what I have been able to determine, = the Sanderson formula calculates Break Point at about 4% higher than whatever formula Del is using.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Given that the tensile strength of today's wire is said to be = higher, I just interpret the Sanderson calculation with this in mind.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Tremaine Parsons</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; = BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- = </DIV> <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: = black"><B>From:</B> <A title=mailto:fandrich@pianobuilders.com href="mailto:fandrich@pianobuilders.com">Delwin D Fandrich</A> = </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A = title=mailto:pianotech@ptg.org href="mailto:pianotech@ptg.org">'Pianotech'</A> </DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, June 25, = 2005 5:59 PM</DIV> <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Arledge Bass strings</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=234185700-26062005><FONT = face="Comic Sans MS" color=#000080 size=3>What are you using = to calculate the percentage of breaking strength? If it is the formula = presented by Al Sanderson and used by Tremaine Parsons, it is incorrect. </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=234185700-26062005><FONT = face="Comic Sans MS" color=#000080 = size=3></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=234185700-26062005><FONT = face="Comic Sans MS" color=#000080 size=3>The Model Ls I've = measured come to the high 50%/low 60% range. At least when compared to the = real-world tensile strength of the wire in use today.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=234185700-26062005><FONT = face="Comic Sans MS" color=#000080 = size=3></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=234185700-26062005><FONT = face="Comic Sans MS" color=#000080 = size=3>Del</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000080 = 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr = align=left> <HR tabIndex=-1> <FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> <A title=mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org = href="mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org">pianotech-bounces@ptg.org</A> [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Erwinspiano@aol.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> June 25, 2005 5:34 PM<BR><B>To:</B> pianotech@ptg.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Arledge = Bass strings<BR></FONT><BR></DIV> <DIV></DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2> <DIV><FONT size=3>   List</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>   Speaking of strings, I've had = the pleasure now of using  about 6 sets of the Arledge = strings  & I like them very much. I like the neatness of the  = wraps etc. But as much as this I find the tone color of the scaling a bit darker  thru  out but I find it especially refreshing = in the top of the bass scales where typically many makers get a bit = thin & whiny sounding which I believe is a tension = problem.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>    I haven't checked but I'd = guess at a bit heavier scaling being employed which, in my limited = scaling experience gives a darker tone with more power.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>  IE the Old 1920's  stwy L scale = in the region of notes 20 - 26 were scaled toward the 70% of breaking = strength & they sounded awesome. When on occasion I have replaced = sets where the tension was reduced in this area the tone suffers greatly. = ON having it corrected the tone came back. I'm not finding this = weakness in  the Arledge strings at present.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>  I'm interested in any ones feedback = be it objective or subjective.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>   Cheers</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>  Dale Erwin</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3>  Oh & I like personal service, = southern hospitableness & a can do attitude.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT = size=3> !!!!!!!!!</FONT></DIV></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></F= ONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></BODY></HTML>